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GrabanIdiot

Here we go again. Discussing a baby with Down´s syndrome. Give this baby a break !

Here is the better issue : What are Palin´s credentials in in international diplomacy ??????????????

The key people sent by the government to negotiate with the rest of the world in recent years were :

1. Colin Powell - former Chief of the Joint Chiefs of Staffs.As a General in the United States Army, Powell also served as National Security Advisor (1987–1989) and as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (1989–1993), holding the latter position during the Gulf War. He was the first and, so far, the only Afro-Carribean American to serve on the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

2. Condoleeza Rice - Ph.d., professor of Political Science; At Stanford, she was a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control from 1981-1986 (currently the Center for International Security And Cooperation), a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. Her books include Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000 Republican National Conventions.

3. Madeleine Albright - Awarded a BA from Wellesley College with honors in Political Science, she studied at the School of Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins University, received a Certificate from the Russian Institute at Columbia University, and her Master's and Doctorate from Columbia University's Department of Public Law and Government. She was also awarded Honorary Doctors of Laws from the University of Washington in 2002, University of Winnipeg in 2005, the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill in 2007 and Knox College in 2008 [6].

From 1976 to 1978, she served as Chief Legislative Assistant to US Senator Edmund Muskie. From 1978 to 1981, as both a staff member of the White House and the National Security Council, Albright was an important Carter administration official responsible for the formulation of foreign policy legislation.

From 1981 to 1982, Secretary Albright was awarded a fellowship at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars at the Smithsonian Institution following an international competition in which she wrote about the role of the press in political changes in Poland during the early 1980s.

From 1981 to 1982, she also served as a Senior Fellow in Soviet and Eastern European Affairs at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, conducting research in developments and trends in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe.

In 1981, she co-founded the Center for National Policy. She also served as President of the organization.

In 1982, Albright was appointed Research Professor of International Affairs and Director of Women in Foreign Service Program at Georgetown University's School of Foreign Service. She taught undergraduate and graduate courses in international affairs, US foreign policy, Russian foreign policy, and Central and Eastern European politics, and was responsible for developing and implementing programs designed to enhance women's professional opportunities in international affairs. She was voted "best teacher" four times. Before becoming Secretary of State, Albright served as US Ambassador to the United Nations in President Clinton's Cabinet. Today, Secretary Albright is once again a professor at Georgetown.

So what are Palin´s credentials : a degree in journalism without honors, drilling advocate, local government official with husband joining key conferences, 2 years political experience.

HOw can we be proud with this woman representing before foreign government officials with sterling credentials ? I cant even begin to understand how this woman could get to the top of the GOP. Something is just really really wrong.

A feisty image is not enough to reverse the bad image of America abroad. In fact, America´s image is that of a bully. And you send someone who is known for a barracuda image ? It seems to be saying that there is no one better to represent the country in matters pertaining to Peace and Conflict in international affairs.

How could we not care about what others say ? Hey, we keep asking for loans from China, aid from all over the world during Hurricanes, and desperately in need of more military forces to help our overworked ones in Afghanistan and Iraq !

Come on people, THINK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are in the midst of wars and we are not getting out of them anytime soon !!!!

WHAT IMAGE OF A WORLD POWER ARE WE TRYING TO PROJECT if this WOMAN gets to the WHITE HOUSE?
DOES SHE KNOW LAW OR MILITARY AFFAIRS AT LEAST ?

  • 30 votes
#1 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 5:17 AM EDT
logdump

The US is riding the crest of emotion brought on by a woman being nominated. Geraldine Ferraro excited people when she was nominated also. Soon we will return to the same place we were before. Issues and Palin will become just what she is a politician. Until then it just like going to the zoo and they have a new animal in the cage. Britney and all the rest of the celebrities enjoy too much attention in the US. In this case she should enjoy her 15 minutes and get back to the real world. Pocket books are what we must consider not ex beauty queens.

  • 22 votes
#1.1 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 7:03 AM EDT
Joe Biff

Not to be concerned, Grabanidiot, Sarah will be totally up to speed in international affairs,through briefings, well within a year. Her superlative executive experience, which is more than McCain's, Obama's and Biden's put together, will do her just fine for the job she is seeking...and I'm sure McCain would scrutinize thoroughly before choosing a Chief of Staff, Secretary of State or Ambassador to the UN.

  • 14 votes
#1.2 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 7:36 AM EDT
Fisherman144

The American right wing conservatives are, once again, looking through rose colored glasses at a political ticket that is showcasing a female with a number of children. Part of politics is going around kissing babies in addition to trying to pull votes. Palin is a natural at this....but she's an empty, hard, aggressive and deceitful woman who is very ambitious to boot.

The Republicans seem to think that Palin will be the saviour of the mess that Bush made. Not a chance. Taking federal money on pretenses, covering up a pregnancy to be a Governor and in control. She was and is using her family as a tool to get what she wants.

But wait....Todd is ALWAYS behind the scenes. Is Sarah a figure head with her husband pulling the strings? Is he of the same mind as his wife on subjects that seem to have conservative values? She has called him a fisherman, but it turns out he has ties with the oil industry as an employee of BP oil.

Is she owned by special interests? She is playing a game...a very serious game. Her ambition is unbelievable. I've heard her being called a 'savvy politician'. I disagree. She seems to be a greedy, pseudo conservative that will do ANYTHING she can to move up in government grabbing power and money as she goes.

Isn't a publicly elected office holder, paid by the electorate, a representative and champion for the people? Palin isn't that at all. She's a champion of herself. Every bit of energy she can muster goes into her power plays.

Why won't the RNC allow her to be alone in public? They are afraid that she can't stand on her own because of limited experience and marginal education. She is a display doll. Look how the women are swayed by her presence on this ticket! McCain didn't need a running mate that would fit the Republican model. He needed a Barbie Doll who could pull the Democratic and independent women away from Hillary.

This is done, and the people are being fooled and manipulated. The bounce won't last long. Women are more intelligent than this Republican Party big stakes game. They must use their brains to see through this ruse. Please let change happen for the better, and not drag us back to a time when women had NO choice in their lives.

  • 25 votes
#1.3 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 7:53 AM EDT
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Joe - "superlative executive experience"??? Palin??? Tell me, WHY does she have to be briefed on international affairs in the first place? Shouldn't she know at least the basics? - which she doesn't. AND, the fact that it's Bush's people tutoring her, WHAT A JOKE! This coming from a president who did nothing but lie his entire 8 yrs in office! Oh yes, please tutor me Mr. Bush, you're so smart!... NOT.

And, think again... McIdiot DID NOT scrutinize his choice for veep - no one even knew who he was thinking of all the way up to the day before he made the announcement of Palin! They already had a speech ready to go for whomever was chosen, as long as they were a man. That's exactly who the speech was written for, and these are his own people, yet they had no clue! The only reason Palin was chosen is because she has boobs. She's a patsy for the republican ticket and can't honestly believe she did anything noteworthy enough to land her in this position.

Embarrassment over being pregnant, embarrassment over her child having downs syndrome - embarrassment to the point that she told NO ONE she was even pregnant until her 3rd trimester! Even when she told her family and kids, she neglected to mention the downs syndrome. Her family had no idea until he was born. SHE WAS EMBARRASSED ABOUT HER OWN CHILD!! Sorry, but that's not anyone I want in the White House.

Obama will win anyway, so this is all mute. I can't wait until the elections, if these posts are any indication on how people think, the majority of them think McPalin are idiots anyway... and besides, they'd be correct.

  • 21 votes
#1.4 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:09 AM EDT
GrabanIdiot

Palin refuses to answer questions from the press since she was declared VP candidate.
Whats up with this woman ???????????????

Okay, here is Richard Cheneys short bio and he is VP and represents America in international affairs (lately, travelled to Georgia as well as Iraq), comparable to what Palin is dreaming to be :

Mr. Cheney was born in Lincoln, Nebraska, on January 30, 1941 and grew up in Casper, Wyoming. He earned his bachelor's and master's of arts degrees from the University of Wyoming. His career in public service began in 1969 when he joined the Nixon Administration, serving in a number of positions at the Cost of Living Council, at the Office of Economic Opportunity, and within the White House.

When Gerald Ford assumed the Presidency in August 1974, Mr. Cheney served on the transition team and later as Deputy Assistant to the President. In November 1975, he was named Assistant to the President and White House Chief of Staff, a position he held throughout the remainder of the Ford Administration. He has served four Presidents and as an elected official.

  • 3 votes
#1.5 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:32 AM EDT
Libratine

ANCHORAGE DAILY NEWS (www.adn.com)
ANCHORAGE DAILY NEWS PALIN (www.adn.com/sarah-palin/)

From ADN state/local news editor David Hulen --

One aspect that hasn't gotten much attention in the Palin media flood (I saw it described as "Palinpalooza" in an e-mail just now) is the rift between the governor and some fellow Alaska Republicans that existed before the big announcement. The New Yorker takes a swing at it in a "Talk of the Town" piece that focuses on Senate President Lyda Green.

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2008/09/15/080915ta_talk_lizza

ADN: STATE PAID FOR TRIP WHEN PALIN TOLD STUDENTS TO PRAY FOR PIPELINE

Gov. Sarah Palin used state funds in June when she traveled from Juneau to Wasilla to speak to graduating evangelical students and urge them to fan out through Alaska "to make sure God's will be done here."

www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/518522.html

More Updates on The Huffington Post
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/sarah-palin

  • 9 votes
#1.6 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 9:49 AM EDT
Tired -481271

The issue I have is that she is being touted like the incredible working mother. How much help does she get? Let's see her try it making 24 K a year ....... (an amount that a great deal of moms with kids only wish for)

  • 9 votes
#1.7 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 10:39 AM EDT
bry33

What's the similarity between a hockey mom and a pit bull?

Most conservatives will vote for either one that prattles about the Bible, babies, and bullets.

  • 9 votes
#1.8 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 10:51 AM EDT
Amos Masurrpianski

bry33: I am one of those "prattlers" you so graciously describe. And I think that Sarah herself might just "prattle" herself into becoming the first female Vice President of the United States. How does that grab you? McCain has overtaken Obama in the recent polls, and personally I believe that Obama has lost his momentum for good. This is just a preview of election attractions yet to come. I can hardly wait.

  • 7 votes
#1.9 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 11:25 AM EDT
Mari-357475

As soon as people realize the baby shower is over they will get back to the main issues of politics and move on. The world is still moving and work needs to be done.

  • 8 votes
#1.10 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 11:46 AM EDT
bry33

Well Sonia, then I guess you're one of those who put ideology before country. That's how we got Bush into office, and hey the last 8 years have been so great.

  • 5 votes
#1.11 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 11:59 AM EDT
GrabanIdiot

So great we have been giving jobs to India and other Asian countries while we wallow in skyrocketing gas prices and scrimp on groceries. We cant even travel for holidays anymore. Foreigners attend our schools, but many of us could hardly send our kids to college. AMERICA UNDER THE GOP HAS MADE OTHER COUNTRIES RICHER WHILE OURS GET POORER AND HEAVILY IN DEBT TO CHINA !

  • 6 votes
#1.12 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 12:11 PM EDT
daisy-369050

Lmasure: Embarrassment over being pregnant, embarrassment over her child having downs syndrome - embarrassment to the point that she told NO ONE she was even pregnant until her 3rd trimester! Even when she told her family and kids, she neglected to mention the downs syndrome. Her family had no idea until he was born. SHE WAS EMBARRASSED ABOUT HER OWN CHILD!! Sorry, but that's not anyone I want in the White House.

I agree 100%......She had to see how the 'great people' of Alaska would accept a pregnant woman as govenor......that was more important than being proud of another child in her family.....I feel she is a very selfish person.........Glad my mother wasn't like her.

  • 6 votes
#1.13 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 12:19 PM EDT
oldefarte

An excellent summation, Grabanidiot, of the last 3 Secretaries of State and one hopes that, whether Obama or McCain win, they will pick a similarly qualified individual for that position, however, I thought the position in question was the Vice-Presidency?

Regrettably, Gov. Palin is not up to speed on foreign and security affairs. As a governor of a state with two international borders (3+ if you count the Arctic where there are multiple claimants) she has had some exposure to those issues (plus some very limited military experience from heading the State National Guard), but her resume' in those fields is still rather thin. Republicans should resist trying to fudge her qualifications on those issues because that fudging lacks credibility.

Rather, what Republicans should do is to point out that, limited as her own experience in those areas are, they are far superior to Sen. Obama's experience in those areas (and he has virtually no other experience to sell, either, incl. any experience acting as a chief government executive and manager, where Palin has both plenty of experience and an excellent record). The fact is that Obama's 2+ year tenure in the Senate (his ONLY real experience outside of Chicago politics) has been spent almost exclusively running for President, so he cannot even claim much expertise from his singular (and short) experience of Federal service. That is a pathetically underqualifying record and everytime the Democrats bring up "experience" as an issue, it needs only be turned back on them. In short: "Yes, we absolutely agree that a candidate for high office should have appropriate experience, so why did you nominate Obama?"

The Democrats' position is also not enhanced by the fact that it is the HEAD of their ticket who is grossly unqualified for the Presidency, whereas Gov. Palin occupies the #2 slot and will have time to get up to snuff under the tutelage of an individual who is among the most knowledgeable and experienced in those areas. If Gov. Palin, as Veep, misapprehends, it is of small moment, because the decisions will be made by Sen./Pres. McCain. If Sen./Pres. Obama misapprehends, well, all one can hope is that he thinks to call for Joe Biden before he calls for "the football" and we have no guarantee of that at all. Indeed, perhaps the most telling aspect of this campaign is that Sen. Obama has forsaken challenging his direct opponent, Sen. McCain, at all, and has leveled his "experience" arguments at Gov. Palin, an admission that he isn't remotely in the same league with McCain. We should accept that admission with grace and use it against him at every turn.

The Democrats should be held to their own standards. If they assert that a state governor, who is without Fed'l government experience, lacks the requisite qualifications for the Presidency, then they will need to acknowledge (and defend) their own past nominations of (Governors) Carter and Clinton and Dukakis. If they insist that there is some minimum quantum of pertinent experience which must be met to qualify a candidate for national office, then they should be required to explain in what way the utterly unqualified Barack Obama is a superior pick to the relatively underqualified Sarah Palin, and to further explain why he is at the head of their ticket, rather than playing second string.

And to those who then attempt to change the issue from "experience" to "judgment", we can always look at Joe Biden's 34 year Senate record versus John McCain's 26 year Congressional record. What one will find, in a hurry, is that Biden has been wrong most of the time and McCain right.

This "experience" debate is one the Republicans should relish, esp. after being told by the Obama camp, throughout the long primary campaign, that "experience" was vastly overrated. If they've now discovered the folly of that position, we should gladly welcome them back to the ranks of "critical thinkers" and then beat them senseless with their own ticket.

  • 4 votes
#1.14 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 12:43 PM EDT
Libratine

McCain or Palin has offered nothing from their lips to the American People that addresses tax cuts to the middle class, penalties for companies who ship jobs overseas, revitalizing domestic employment, reducing the dependency on foreign oil, identifying and addressing environmental concerns, solving the healthcare dilemma, providing for the needs of our veterans, making college more affordable, addressing immigration reform, the intention to keep church and state separate, views on the supreme court, social issues, and of course the biggest concern of all, foreign policy and affairs?

Now, let's factor that Senator McCain's selection for VP is currently under investigation for ABUSE OF POWER et al - and amid shoddy vetting - the uncertainty of another scandal may present itself round the next bend. Meanwhile, what kind of "maverick" selects a person UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR ABUSE OF POWER on a BRING CHANGE TO WASHINGTON MESSAGE while not knowing the outcome? A "maverick" with poor judgment, that's what kind. Thanks, but no thanks!

No way no how no John McCain. Sunday's CBS Face the Nation (McCain), ABC THIS WEEK (Obama) and MEET THE PRESS (Biden) are just another illuminating set of prime examples. Thanks, but no thanks to John McCain PERIOD. Insular ideology. Out of touch reality.

SECONDLY for Palin supporters: Unless you are a member of a herd and completely unable to think independently, only a biased or irrational human being would not recognize some prudence at this point. Heck, at least let her SPEAK UNSCRIPTED LINES before throwing in full support - that way the reasoning LOOKS legitimate!!!

Obama/Biden: CHANGE We Can Believe In
McCain/Palin: Me and Those Like Me" First

For those interested:

Obama Surrogates Urged to Mention Eagleton and there is a list of Republicans and comments who are also concerned with the VP pick.

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/obama_surrogates_urged_to_ment.php

  • 3 votes
#1.15 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 12:55 PM EDT
Elore

GrabanIdiot:

The image we would project with Plain is of a nation that believes that all people no matter their sex are created equal and have the right to live up to their God given potential.

A nation where the Constitution is alive and well. A nation that affords everyone the same opportunities and does not discriminate because you are a woman and a mother of five.

Until know equality in this great nation of our has been limited to a lot of talk, let's start to walk the walk. You go Palin.!!!!!!!

  • 3 votes
#1.16 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 1:21 PM EDT
Pat1987

Palin is ready and willing to use and exploit her children to advance her politics, just as she is willing to use and exploit God's name.. Shame on you Palin. 'Pray for a pipeline??' 'The Iraq war is God's war??' Killing people in the name of God..really!?!? Isn't that the exact same thing we're always condemning Muslims for doing??? She just might be the first american fundamentalist 'Christian' terrorist we will have the misfortune of knowing. The only thing is, she's not a true Christian. To her, religion like everything else is just another weapon in her hands to advance her ambitions. If I had kids in that school, I wouldn't let you anywhere near them. Again.. shame on you!

  • 5 votes
#1.17 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 1:25 PM EDT
RogerM

To GrabanIdiot,
So what's your point? Every person you listed was SECRETARY OF STATE, not Vice President!

  • 2 votes
#1.18 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 1:35 PM EDT
GrabanIdiot

The point is, if Palin cant even qualify for Secretary of State, how in the world can she discharge the duties of President of the country if anything happens to McCain, who she openly told the press before she was picked, she doesnt even want to vote for ?

Which job is harder- President or Secretary of State ? Who gives the marching orders to the Secretary of State ?

  • 4 votes
#1.19 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 1:40 PM EDT
proudliberal-468415

And you people are ready to vote for MC cain because his VP is a female?? I should add a femlale with no experience and a terrible record?? You've got to be out of your minds!!

I am a white female and I am voting for the most competente, experienced candidates which are Obama/Biden! Lets not forget the wisdom of Obama!

Keeping showing a woman with her retarded baby.... and you're thinking OH this is so cute! I am voting for her!! anyone thinking this way is brainless!

The right wing propaganda machine, is as usual working very well... they are so good at it!! and again, just like with bush, you're ready to take the bite!! Hahahahaaa
Tell me people.... What has Bush done for you??? because you know MC Cain/palin will be 4 more years of Bush.

When nuclear bombs starts falling on this country, it will be too late to wonder why!!

  • 4 votes
#1.20 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 1:49 PM EDT
GrabanIdiot

And oh did we conveniently forget that VP Cheney is very much involved with international affairs especially with the Iraq war ? HIs bio is up there. With Mrs. Barracuda, how many more wars shall we have ?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE CANT TAKE MORE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 5 votes
#1.21 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 1:52 PM EDT
Pat1987

Elore.. How about a nation that believes in the importance of educational excellence and rewards those who achieve. A nation that believes that the content of a person's mind and character..not his/her race or gender.. is the basis for being judged and promoted to high positions. What about a nation that believes in the rights of all people to freedom of speech and expression (including written expression) and not in censorship. How about a nation that respects the religious beliefs of all it's citizens (and does not preach that people are going to hell if they don't vote for your party). A NATION THAT BELIEVES IN THE PRESERVATION OF THE ENVIRONMENT as well as animal rights, especially when endangered. A nation that looks out for those who are less fortunate (including single mothers) and allows each citizen the basic necessities of universal health care. Ps. you don't have to be a communist country to have first-class, free health care. In Britain, France, Canada and a host of other countries citizens are treated for ailments from the common cold to cancer free of charge! In Britain they even reimburse people if they've had to pay for transport to get to the hospital! How about a nation that does not blame God for the decision to go to war and then tells the soldiers to 'go to hell' when they get back because a certain senator (McCain) voted against bills which would've benefited them medically and financially. How about a nation that champions the cause of the middle and working classes and not that of the millionaires and multi-millionares, some of whom don't even know how many houses they own. How about a better nation than the one we have now? How about that!?!
Go Obama/Biden 08!!!!!!

  • 5 votes
#1.22 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 1:59 PM EDT
Wilfred of Ivanhoe

Obama and Biden can kiss the election goodbye. The media has now resoundingly cast its vote for Mccain/Palin. We know considerably less about Sarah Palin than most VP nominees in recent times, because the media is too busy churning out fawning fluff pieces like this baby story. The media is scared to do any serious vetting of Palin since the GOP started screaming about the big bad media beating up on poor little Sarah. I watched Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC at lunch. She's puts out so much woman love for Palin that it's almost creepy to watch.

When old John McCain, with his medical history of recurrent cancer, dies or becomes disabled in office, we can all sleep well knowing that Sarah Palin's finger is on the nuclear trigger. (Sarcasm intended.)

  • 3 votes
#1.23 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 2:22 PM EDT
lauriesarno

Interesting how Palin is a self-described 'pit bull' when it come to politics but NOT when it comes to protecting the privacy of her children and family. She loves all this attention and has CHOSEN to put herself before her family. The GOP also loves the distraction her family and it's dysfunction provides since Palin and McCain have to successful strategies or skills to get America out of the mess it's in economically and elsewhere. Anti-abortion and a strong Christian wing and a prayer will NOT get us out of the deep hole Bush dug for us. Palin's a loser and so is Grandpa McCain - why does the media keep giving attention to their worthless distractions from the issues???? The fact that Palin continued to give a speech while leaking amniotic fluid is a little too much info I need to have. That also doesn't make her a touch candidate or even tough lady - it makes her STUPID, CARELESS, and IRRESPONSIBLE for putting the life of her precious unborn child at risk (dare I say tantamount to abortion!).
If she were elected - what would she do with all of our lives in her hands? She's shown how NOT to be a pit bull with lipstick. Sarah Palin Go back to Alaska and take care of your family FIRST before you say you have the moral and political skills to take care of this country!

  • 4 votes
#1.24 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 3:00 PM EDT
Concerned Voter-505559

Interesting and very valid points, hows this for an answer:
Sept 2, 2008 "Social Conservatives' Support for Palin Unwavering" at the Republican Convention Rick Santorum, the conservative Republican from Pennsylvania in an interview with NPR (National Public Radio) says and I quote:
"Unlike McCain, she is a kindred spirit — strongly anti-abortion. Though she lacks experience with national and global issues, Santorum says, she'll get that experience as vice president."

"You have an opportunity during the time that you're vice president to learn a heck of a lot. No, she probably doesn't know who the president of Turkmenistan is, but she doesn't need to know that right now," he says. "She will learn … with a firehose attached to her mouth. I mean, it's gonna be pretty tough."

See, no worries they have it all figured out!!!

  • 1 vote
#1.25 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 3:09 PM EDT
oldefarte

What will lose the election for the Democrats isn't Sarah Palin vs. Barack Obama, it's the statements of people like "proudliberal" (msg. 1.20).

The electorate is divided into 3 camps - the hardcore D's/Obama-Biden supporters, the hardcore R's/McCain-Palin supporters and everybody else. The first two groups will not fluctuate much. It is the 3rd group which is in contention. That group is undecided because they want to make the best choice. When the D's scream "experience" at Palin, that group will disregard "proudliberal's" blanket assertion of Obama's qualifications and look at the reality. They will then necessarily conclude that Obama has less relevant experience then Palin and that his position as the lead of the Democratic ticket is inconsistent with the notion of rewarding experience. If they are inclined to be persuaded by experience, they will then vote R. It therefore behooves the R's to encourage this experience issue as much as possible. After all, if the D's and R's both agree that we want experience, it must be true and Obama has none.

However, we have a further ally in the Obama camp and it is the arrogance of the true believers. These are the people who dismiss anyone who does not totally agree with their positions as idiots and racists and sheep: "IF you don't believe me when I say Obama is experienced, then you're a stupid, uneducated, redneck racist". Most folks tend to rebel against those kinds of characterizations (ask the Democratic primary voters of Pennsylvania how they felt about that characterization of them). Since the Obama camp is chiefly selling an assumed moral superiority and moral outrage, we can guarantee that almost any issue will evoke the most useful response from them and the electorate will reject the Democratic ticket.

If those undecideds, however, look at the issues, then I think our positions can stand up to scrutiny. Obama will "fix" education? How, when he is totally beholden to the very same teachers' unions which have prevented any educational reforms for over 40 years? He will give us "energy independence"? How, when his "energy policy" simply plagiarizes John McCain's energy bill, without, however allowing increased drilling and exploitation of American reserves and, instead, puts tons of pork barrel money into the pockets of the likes of Con-Agra and ADM, who stand to profit from ethanol (which most energy experts, economists, and ecologists reject as a disaster)? He will provide for "middle class tax breaks"? True, but only if you define "rich" as a family income of more than $32,000/year.

So, I think the R's would be well advised to encourage the Obama camp to keep talking. They can't win on qualifications and they cannot win on issues, and they will go out of their way to disguise those realities by insulting anyone with any reservations about Sen. Obama's fitness for the Presidency. With their assistance, the election can be won, in spite of Pres. Bush's legacy.

  • 2 votes
#1.26 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 3:52 PM EDT
LKD

I have a simple statement that I don't think has been addressed previously. How can a woman tout herself as an effective, successful working mother, while hiding her pregnancy at the same time? What does that say for the status of working mothers when a candidate hides a pregnancy because she is afraid of the reaction? btw I am a successful working mother with nothing to hide before or after...

  • 1 vote
#1.27 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 3:53 PM EDT
AnotherAverageJoe

oldefarte

Wow! She got all that experience in 18 months??? as Governor of Alaska????

I guess Obama's degree from Columbia with a specialization in Foriegn studies (where he graduated Magna cum Luade) His Harvard Law degree and his 12 years in the Senate, Where he is a member of the Foreign Relations Committee, as well as Veterans affairs committee were a giant waste of time........ He should have been a Governor for 18 months? Please.... I was born at night, just not last night......

And as for Joe Biden... I won't even start.... Lets just say that the world is his strong point.

Something that many forget. After this election, and when all the banners come down. we actually have a heck of a lot of work to do to get this country back on track. Mr. McCain is 72 and would be the oldest person to ever be seated as a 1st term president, and has had Cancer 5 times. The average live expectancy tells me that the odds are not in his favor. So, the odds say that we would be more likely to have Sarah Palin as president than any other time in the past.

So the question is: Do you want a ex part time mayor of a town of 8000, Governor of a STATE with a population of 600,000 (the size of Austin TX) in that job only 18 months...

Being President and Leader of the Free World?

You have GOT to be kidding me!!!!!

Anybody that actually believes that has had WAY to much GOP kool-aide, and is thinking about WINNING, not about GOVERNING.

Let's get REAL here. Whether your talking about National, or International capability: Obama has good experience, McCain has more experience, Biden has more experince than either of them, and Palin has ZERO experience...

  • 2 votes
#1.28 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 4:20 PM EDT
DrWhoo

SARAH PALIN HAS MORE EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE THAN BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA?

Sarah Palin is a two year Governor of Alaska having an annual budget of around $5B. And she LEADS thousands of people. Day in day out. She is personally responsible for A LOT.

Barack Hussein Obama is a four year Junior Senator with an annual budget of
$0. Oh wait. There's his salary and his expenses. So it's not exactly zero. And? He leads ZERO people.

The argument? Governors are the presidents of their state and LEAD. They are PRESIDENTS of their states.

Senators?

Just legislate. They vote on laws and are cogs in the collective thing called Congress. And? Senators can decide to do NOTHING (not vote on things) which Barack Hussein did AMPLY. Governors need to go to work all the time.

Bill Clinton (remember him?) was a governor too BTW, which is what qualified
him to be President. But yes, Arkansas has about 2M more people than Alaska. But that's not much more! And Alaska's population? That's about the same a Howard Dean's Vermont! So unless you libs have a very selective memory or are just NOT in the know? You can't hammer too hard on the state of Alaska.

It essentially takes an understanding of what governors do and what senators do.

And many people here just never listened in Jr High School I guess and learned
this stuff!

The Coup de Grace However?

Palin is running for VP! Barack Hussein is running for PRESIDENT.

Our second string is more qualified than your first string.

  • 2 votes
#1.29 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 4:39 PM EDT
DrWhoo

Obama was a Junior Senator for four years and has arguably spent most of those four years preparing for his presidential bid.

Palin was GOVERNOR of ALASKA for about two years arguably spending most of her time GOVERNING!

Governors perform VASTLY MORE EXECUTIVE DUTIES than Senators. Governing is essentially being the EXECUTIVE of a state. Being a Senator just entails creating and voting on national laws. Senators by themselves don't manage a single thing. Governors manage the State Highways, State Education, State Budget, State Parks, the National Guard, the Coast Guard, State Legislation, State Taxes and the list goes on and on.

  • 2 votes
#1.30 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 4:40 PM EDT
Concerned Voter-505559

I guess they forgot to tell her what to say....

Gov. Sarah Palin made her first potentially major gaffe during her time on the national scene while discussing the developments of the perilous housing market this past weekend.

Speaking before voters in Colorado Springs, the Republican vice presidential nominee claimed that lending giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had "gotten too big and too expensive to the taxpayers." The companies, as McClatchy reported, "aren't taxpayer funded but operate as private companies. The takeover may result in a taxpayer bailout during reorganization."

And so it begins... :)

  • 1 vote
#1.31 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 4:59 PM EDT
Arthur-379160

Lyin Palin is the stupid one, four kids and getting pregnant at age 44, risking Downs. She gambled and lost.

  • 1 vote
#1.32 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 7:18 PM EDT
Arthur-379160

We keep electing governors (George W, Jimmy Carter) and they keep failing. Governors are not qualified to take on Washington. In addition Washington is what Americans voted for.

Just one example: It was Americans who voted to continue the war in Iraq by giving George W a second term. It was Americans who voted George W into office the first time. It was Americans who wanted to kick Iraq's butt.

NO ONE IS GOING TO REFORM WASHINGTON! Get over it.

    #1.33 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 7:24 PM EDT
    not over it

    Arthur - I guess she didn't want to abstain.

    • 1 vote
    #1.34 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 7:49 PM EDT
    oldefarte

    I'm sorry, AverageJoe (msg. 1.28) but did you say Sen. Obama's "12 years in the Senate"? You must mean his 7 years in the ILLINOIS SENATE followed by his year and a half in the US Senate prior to his announcing his Presidential run... Not only is your history shaky, so is your math. His major, at Columbia, where he spent two years (going to Occidental in California for two years), was in Political Science (no doubt of his qualifications for that) with a "specialization in international relations" (not a "major" - that means, in case you never went beyond High School, that he took 3 classes in international studies instead of the required two...). His record on the Foreign Affairs Committee, given his attendance thereat, is also not exactly a bragging point, but, granted he was appointed to it, as a junior, minority party senator (i.e., a chair warmer).

    What is sad is that, in order to make a point, you are apparently totally willing to misrepresent your candidate's record. I think that says enough.

    But, as long as we are chatting, tell me, why did you folks, who have no use for governors as candidates, happen to run a governor as your standard bearer in over half the Presidential races in the last 25 years? Was it that you were so impressed with Gov. Carter's grasp of international diplomacy? Maybe you thought Michael Dukakis was just born to drive a tank? How is it that Gov. Palin's experience as the chief executive officer of a state counts for less than Sen. Obama's time as a state legislator? Ever lobby in a state legislature? I have. Never saw a whole lot of international treaties being discussed (tho' governors are obliged to enforce them where they apply, as so many do when dealing, particularly, with Alaska).

    As I said, I'm more than happy to have the D's debate matters, as long as we have access to the truth against which to measure their arguments. Sorry, but yours don't stack up against that yardstick.

    As for Sen. Biden, I seem to recall that he voted AGAINST the first Gulf War (a success), FOR the second (which he, himself admits was an error), AGAINST the surge (which appears to have been a success). Great record. Shall we add in that he was part of the Senate Majority responsible for the disaster of the Carter years? I can continue. Do you REALLY want to discuss Joe Biden's experience?

      #1.35 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:07 PM EDT
      Young Hot and Smart

      The issue I have is that she is being touted like the incredible working mother. How much help does she get? Let's see her try it making 24 K a year ....... (an amount that a great deal of moms with kids only wish for)

      I'm a mother. I see Sarah Palin as an inspiration. It's been my dream to become mayor of Houston sometime in the future. My cause is to make Houston a safer place and clean it up. (If you saw our east end, you'd probably vomit.) Palin does have ambition and is a positive female role model. You wouldn't want your daughter to have ambitions like that? Mayor, governor, vice president? This is supposed to be America where you can achieve your dreams. I guess it's only okay if the female is a democrat.

      Also 24K a year? It's not that hard to achieve that. You could work at McDonalds for a year and become an assistant manager and surpass that. I made 24K a year immediately out of high school. With a baby. Went to a temp agency, tested on Microsoft and typing, then got a job.

      • 1 vote
      #1.36 - Tue Sep 9, 2008 12:18 AM EDT
      ming-315743

      Young, Hot and smart I am sorry for you that you are willing to vote for someone based on their sex. I admire what you did after school and commend you. Women are able to rise above and do well in our society. We as women have an obligation to others coming after us to pave the roads and make things easier. This is not what Sarah Palin intends. Please read her views and make an informed decision. you sound like a nice person with a good heart. I am not saying to vote for Obama but just please know the issues. Hopefully your child is not a girl. Ms palin is against abortion even in the case of rape or incest. Imagine being raped and having the government telling you that you have to have a rapists baby. think long and hard.

        #1.37 - Tue Sep 9, 2008 5:33 PM EDT
        Young Hot and Smart

        Young, Hot and smart I am sorry for you that you are willing to vote for someone based on their sex.

        And where did I indicate I was voting for HER based on SEX. I didn't. Get your facts straight.

        Seeing her as an inspiration doesn't not equate worship. My entire comment was about motherhood. Not my vote. Obviously you don't care to read, you just like the shiny cover.

        • 1 vote
        #1.38 - Tue Sep 9, 2008 6:55 PM EDT
        proudliberal-468415

        Palin international experience?? She just made a brief stop to germany for refueling. Hahaaa

          #1.39 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:19 AM EDT
          proudliberal-468415

          TV AD ABOUT THE AERIAL SHOOTING OF WOLVES AND OTHER WILDLIFE IN ALASKA

          IMPEACH PALIN!!!!! THIS MAKES ME SICK!!! THIS WOMAN IS INSANE!!

          THESE REDNECKS ARE STILL PERSECUTING OUR PREDATORS.

          https://secure.defenders.org/site/Donation2?idb=0&df_id=1547&1547.donation=form1&autologin=true&s_src=6JY08WDC4F&s_subsrc=6JY08WDC4F_EJI08D2a&JServSessionIdr012=79hzrj9oj1.app20a

            #1.40 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 4:32 AM EDT
            SH-2000

            She light years away from being ready for VP. That said, what we really should be talking about is that
            Mccain voted with Bush ****90%***** of the time. On that mind boggling point alone, PROVES McCain is unfit to be president.

              #1.41 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 11:49 AM EDT
              Paul-246112

              Don't worry about Palin knowing enough about international politics.. With a few days of briefing, she may even get to know as much as you !
              You don't think all the other past VPs were briefed before taking office ?

                #1.42 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:05 PM EDT
                Reply
                ChangeInDC2008

                Thank-you!! It is so sad that we live in a country where people allow their emotions to take precedence over their intelligence. All of the energy and commotion made over Palin because she's a woman is ridiculous. It's scary to think that if the REP. wins and something happens to McCain, she would be president. With that kind of thinking, Its obvious why we have spent the last 8 years in hell.

                • 18 votes
                Reply#2 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 6:44 AM EDT
                logdump

                How long do you think McCain will put up with her upstaging him. Right now he is using her as a shield.

                • 18 votes
                #2.1 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 7:04 AM EDT
                GrabanIdiot

                McCains temper and difficulty as a colleague in the Senate is well-known. Plus, now we have a barracuda vice-presidential candidate, he hardly knows and met once, and whose husband sits in official meetings and is copy furnished vital emails about government policy. Thats a rather unusual political tandem.

                PALIN WONT ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM THE PRESS. Hows that for transparency and accountability ? Hey Mrs. Palin, you´re not Chelsea Clinton. I seem to recall you were THE ONE so eager to serve the people of America, but you dont want to explain your position on issues ?

                Does Palin want to communicate only through MySpace or text messages ??? I dont get it. How shall we know her position then ??????

                • 13 votes
                #2.2 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:45 AM EDT
                Amos Masurrpianski

                Grabanidiot: Governor Palin will be interviewed by ABC's Charles Gibson later this week. She may be a "barracuda" when it comes to sports, but it takes true guts to make yourself available to be interviewed with the leftist, elite "barracuda" media.

                • 1 vote
                #2.3 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 11:39 AM EDT
                daisy-369050

                True guts, or too large ego.........

                • 1 vote
                #2.4 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 12:20 PM EDT
                Amos Masurrpianski

                daisy: Guts, guts, sweetie!

                  #2.5 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 12:37 PM EDT
                  Akb11684

                  AMEN!!

                    #2.6 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 1:35 PM EDT
                    proudliberal-468415

                    Who are the neocons and why do they do, what they do... Here is the answer.

                    Scroll to the right to pass the blue square. this is a 2 hour video

                    http://propagandameatgrinder.magnify.net/video/Zeitgeist-s-hrvatskim-titlom/theater#theater_title

                      #2.7 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 2:13 PM EDT
                      LusciousDC

                      How is it gutsy to be interviewed by anyone, leftist, elite "barracuda" media or not?
                      Your heroes don't need much on their resume' do they?

                      • 1 vote
                      #2.8 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 4:09 PM EDT
                      DrWhoo

                      DID YOU KNOW THAT BARACK OBAMA'S CORE VALUES AND BELIEFS ARE BASED ON BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY?

                      I can guarantee you Obama Inc. surely isn't marketing this aspect of Barack's life!

                      As you all know. Barack's biological father, a socialist muslim from whom Barack got his name? Abandoned young Barack. This, obviously, was a scarring incident. And throughout young Barack's youth he was always in search of a father-figure to fill the void. And it was twenty one years ago when Barack did indeed find that father figure - the most influential and pivotal man in young Barack's life - Black Liberation Theologist Reverend Jeremiah Wright.

                      Has Obama Inc. told you about this man? I don't think so. This is stuff they desperately don't want you to know.

                      Black Liberation Theologist Jeremiah Wright would become, for twenty years, young Barack's mentor, inspiration, father, and inspiration for Barack's political career. The Junior Senator has written a lot about Wright in his memoirs and it's a public record.

                      If you don't know what Black Liberation Theology is? And if you don't know who Jeremiah Wright is? This will give you a taste. The video was produced by Jeremiah Wright himself and was on sale at Trinity United Church of Christ. Because of the election? I don't think they're selling these DVDs any more. Obama Inc. is a little smarter than that. Yes. Black Liberation Theology is predicated on the fact that Jesus Christ was a black man struggling against white oppression, as well as other outlandish, very often militant, views:

                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36T1fnIafC0

                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUbUBTlmAiA

                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BWWx4Q1VFg

                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUbUBTlmAiA&feature=related

                      The Junior Senator? Has denied knowledge of any such sermons. Despite being a Jeremiah Wright disciple for twenty-odd years. Despite being married at Trinity United. Despite having his kids baptized there. Despite going to church there. Despite the fact that Trinity United is Barack Hussein's primary church. Despite the fact that DVD's of these sermons can be purchased at Trinity United. Despite the fact that the whole point of Trinity United Church of Christ's whole point is to spread Black Liberation Theology and that's why you'd go there. Despite going to Church there for twenty years. And? Despite being close friends with Jeremiah Wright for twenty years. Barack Obama had absolutly no knowledge executiveof the nature of the church he went to for twenty years nor any knowledge of the true nature of his twenty-year adopted father, Black Liberation Theologist Jeremiah Wright.

                      The bottom line? The Junior Senator is either lying. Or that Harvard education didn't count for much!

                      • 2 votes
                      #2.9 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 4:41 PM EDT
                      DrWhoo

                      Bill Maher calling Sarah Palin a "MILF", "Stewardess", and making fun of Sarah Palin's children!

                      Going so far as to make fun of Sarah's down syndrome child.

                      http://comedy.videosift.com/video/Maher-on-Palin

                      Take Note, Women.

                      Take Note, America.

                      This is your party?

                      BTW. MILF stands for "Mother's I'd Like to F*ck" and is a derogatory term for older women who have born children. It's a term used on porn sites and on par with derogatory terms like "pregos".

                        #2.10 - Tue Sep 9, 2008 12:44 PM EDT
                        brooket-1963

                        Palin is a terrible example of how to be a mother.

                        Hiding her pregnancy only shows how insecure she is on the job. As VP what will she hide? Yes her choice to become prego at 44 was risky and selfish. But is it equally selfish to run for office when your family needs you much more.

                        There are so many more experienced women in the Republican party - that we not even considered, makes me think that they are really only using her youth and young family as a smoke screen to keep us from remembering when you have a president who is too old.

                        Hmm...what happens...oh that's right, they can't remember what scandals they are involved in - remember Ollie North....who do you suppose this old guy is going to pick as his fall guy?

                          #2.11 - Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:16 PM EDT
                          SH-2000

                          Dr.Whoo, as a woman I say WHO CARES! Bill Maher is far more insightful of this country than McCain who voted WITH bush 90% of the time!!!! MCCAIN is the one who insulted women by choosing Palin,
                          clearly based on her sex NOT on her IQ.

                          The GOP is in a sorry state if this duo is the best they can do.

                            #2.12 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 11:58 AM EDT
                            Reply
                            Silence DoGooder

                            Grabanidiot - none of your examples were VP's? Palin has more experience than BArack Obama. By your logic-we should be terrified of appointing BO. Regardless of the "Who has more experience" dilemma. A president should be more in the line of fire on this issue than a VP.

                            John McCain has good genes. His mother is 96.

                            • 6 votes
                            Reply#3 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 6:46 AM EDT
                            dal

                            Silence DoGooder

                            How does she? Seriously, I am hearing this a lot form her and a few others. How? I mean there are some really bad salespeople out there. Do not tell me she has show me. She says her job is more important than a Senators or community organizer. I know some of both that may disagree. I will say her record speaks loudly. Show me your baby and speak of abstinence and yet her 16 year old gets pregant. Her pork belly projects in Alaska yet she does not want earmarks. She fought the oil company yet wants a pipeline ran through the nature preserve. She is under that investigation. This experience we can do without.

                            • 12 votes
                            #3.1 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 6:55 AM EDT
                            logdump

                            That is a sad and stupid argument that does not hold water. Obama has as much experience as Bush and her.

                            Here are A.Lincolns Qualifications

                            Spent eight years in the Illinois legislature, and rode the circuit of courts for many years.
                            In 1846 ran for the United States House of Representatives and won

                            He made an unsuccessful bid for the U.S. Senate but received some support for the Republican vice-presidential nomination in 1856.

                            He did not do so bad

                            Parroting the McCain line will not work

                            • 9 votes
                            #3.2 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 7:07 AM EDT
                            Fisherman144

                            Maybe his mother should be running! If his genes are so good why does he have a history of cancer, atherosclerosis, and now increasing dementia?

                            • 7 votes
                            #3.3 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 7:58 AM EDT
                            GrabanIdiot

                            Silence DoGooder, see Cheney´s bio up there.

                              #3.4 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:49 AM EDT
                              Lynne in Alabama

                              Silence DoGooder --

                              "McCain has good genes, his mother is 96"

                              Yeah, but his father died at 70!

                              It amazes me how these people want to govern but not answer the questions to the American people as to HOW will you govern. Is there an American alive who wouold choose such a person and not get the gist of what they believe??? Running the clock down is a scheme, not even a strategy. The bottom line is: "8 is enough" don't forget these two people are Republicans!

                              This is a joke and has the makings of a TV movie!

                              • 4 votes
                              #3.5 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 11:35 AM EDT
                              GenoTenn

                              Where is his father? His grandfathers?

                              • 1 vote
                              #3.6 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 12:52 PM EDT
                              Akb11684

                              So basically if McCain and his good genes are elected we'll be ok?? Sure that just means that we might have to put up with another 4-8 years of hell.

                              • 1 vote
                              #3.7 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 1:38 PM EDT
                              NickA

                              Experience is one thing, what you do with it is another entirely. I flew helicopters for the Navy for 6 1/2 years, and I can tell you, the aircrew didn't give a damn how many flight hours you had, they cared if you were a good pilot. There were many LCDRs with 2-3 times the flight hours I had, but the aircrew would rather fly with me. Why, because I made better decisions in the cockpit than some of the other pilots. I LEARNED from my experience, and my the right decisions based on that experience.
                              Obama may not have as many years in the Senate as McCain, nor as many months as governor of a state smaller than San Jose as Palin, but his stances on domestic and international affairs, the economy, health care, and the military show that he has done more with his experience than either one of them. His intellect outshines both of theirs, and his communication skills foster an environment of common good and not divisiveness.
                              The problem is, the Republican machine is trying to turn this election into a standard Student Body President popularity contest, and Americans are letting it happen! To bring such and important, serious occasion to this level is insulting to Americans.

                              • 3 votes
                              #3.8 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 2:20 PM EDT
                              Truthbeout

                              NickA, you have said it perfectly. I have nothing to add to your comment!!!

                              • 1 vote
                              #3.9 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 3:49 PM EDT
                              photochick

                              Unfortunately he doesn't seem to be aging nearly as well as his mother. He looks more like her older brother than her son. And unfortunately that's not really a compliment to her.

                              • 1 vote
                              #3.10 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 5:38 PM EDT
                              Young Hot and Smart

                              John McCain has good genes. His mother is 96.

                              True that.

                              My Great Grandmother = 94
                              My Grandmother = 80
                              My Grandfather = 78

                              • 1 vote
                              #3.11 - Tue Sep 9, 2008 12:21 AM EDT
                              capitalK

                              I don't think McCain thought this one through (sarcasm). Having Palin on the stage with him emphasizes his age.

                                #3.12 - Tue Sep 9, 2008 5:15 PM EDT
                                Reply
                                akshoe59

                                You better hope she gets elected. Who better is there to care for the whining cry baby liberals? I don't know where you have been, but 6 of the last 8 years were good to me. Two years ago, there was no housing crisis and gas was $1.59 a gallon. the liberal congress has given themselves yet another cost of living raise, pensions after 1 term, a 5 week vacation while gas prices were skyrocketing, and the highest gas prices ever which in turn has increased the cost of everything else. Tell me again how Barrack Obama is going to save the middle class!

                                • 8 votes
                                Reply#4 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 6:57 AM EDT
                                Fisherman144

                                You have NO idea what the tag Liberal means. You can't understand that those who fall under the banner of progressive, people oriented, security and balance in government are labeled anything but conservative. The conservative is afraid of almost everything so they hide behind falsehoods and loud voices. You most certainly fit that model.

                                • 20 votes
                                #4.1 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:02 AM EDT
                                mbgirl1975

                                Do you really think that the housing crisis started two years ago? Let me tell you, it was a long time in the making. Regulations for lenders have been lax for a long time. Banks gave loans to people that never should have gotten them. When real estate values increased at ridiculous rates, the housing crisis was inevitable.

                                So, what massive piece of legislature did Congress pass that got us into this mess? George Bush vetoed nearly everything bill sent to him, except the tax rebate of this year.

                                I was a critic of Bill Clinton while he was in office and I understand that he has shortcomings. However, Clinton managed to keep us out of war and balanced the budget. Meanwhile, George W. Bush has kept this country at war nearly his whole presidency and now the budget deficit stands at nearly $10 trillion dollars!!!

                                This country cannot continue to fight a misguided war where the mission has been lost and one that we simply cannot afford.

                                I have heard this type of rhetoric before and I want someone to explain exactly what type of recent legislature has put us in this predicament. Put the blame where it belongs, George W. Bush.

                                • 14 votes
                                #4.2 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:02 AM EDT
                                Sidplicity

                                For starters gas was already edging at 3 dollars a gallon AkShoe. A gallon of premium was in fact 1.59 when this bunch took over the white house. I have kept track of every single gallon of gas I have ever bought for each and everyone of my cars, a habit that my grandfather got me into with my first car back in 1983. I still own the Jeep I had in 2000 and the Triumph with both gas logs. Once again those on the right trying to rewrite history to suit their own purposes. Secondly good ole Phil Graham had already set in motion the deregulation of the housing industry in 2002. I know it's hard for you to understand that but put down the Kool Aid they are serving up. Next you mention that "they" went on vacation. You are right, "they" all did including Minority Boehner the one most vocal and yes a dear old died in wool republican. And since we are on the discussion of vacations. It is indeed this very president that has spent more personal time away from his job whether it be Camp David or the "ranch". This is a double edged sword, because if he was actually at work more often even far worse could be going on. Lastly check you facts and figures with the GAO and some other fine sites the federal government has online. Feel free to check what has happened to median incomes over the past eight years versus inflation. You must be part of the 1 percent or the middle income that McCain offers to be in the 5 million dollar range. Then again it really doesn't matter who the right offers up, you would blindly follow, just make sure to have your flag lapel pin and you magnetic supports the troop sticker on the back of your car.

                                • 13 votes
                                #4.3 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:27 AM EDT
                                Hpotterfan77

                                Ok, not sure where you live but 2 years ago in CT, gas prices were $3.05 and climbing and that was BEFORE the Dems took control of congress and the senate. This administration has done absolutely nothing good for our country, led us into a war that was not needed at this moment in time, etc, etc etc. I am voting for Obama BECAUSE of his "lack of experience". I'd rather have a guy for president that hasn't been around all of those "good ol' boy" republican rich guys for 26 years. Obama/Biden '08!!!

                                • 7 votes
                                #4.4 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 11:19 AM EDT
                                GenoTenn

                                Congress has been split since 2006. 1 vot majority. Before it was all GOP.

                                • 2 votes
                                #4.5 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 12:53 PM EDT
                                ewent

                                Hey Right Winger....Face facts. Good to you isn't good for the entire country. And, you can't spend a billion a month on war and not end up with an economic crisis. Bush was left with a Clinton surplus which Bush handily spent like a drunken sailor. Just because Bush didn't publicize the problems, doesn't mean they happened all in the past two years. It takes a lot of pathological greed to make a country go down. Look to yourself for that kind of right wing greed.

                                Right Wingers....selfish, self-centered and autocratic. No wonder it all looks so good to you.

                                • 2 votes
                                #4.6 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 1:36 PM EDT
                                don-351268

                                for those voting for McCain because Palin is a woman, have you researched what her postions are on Women's Rights? This woman would set back women by decades if elected.

                                Believes in abstinance, that always works well for women.
                                Would put women in jail for having an abortion.

                                • 3 votes
                                #4.7 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 3:49 PM EDT
                                oldefarte

                                Actually, Mbgirl (msg. 5.2), I seem to recall Pres. Clinton getting us involved in two wars in the Balkans, alone, where we have been stuck over twice as long as in Iraq and with as many troops as we have in Afghanistan. People say Bush opened Iraq to Al Qaeda (which is true) but never mention that Clinton gave Al Qaeda bases in the heart of Europe with his actions in the Balkans, esp. Kosovo. We won't discuss the Clinton "mission creep" in Somalia which gave us "Blackhawk Down" and best to say nothing about that little fiasco in Haiti. Bin Laden issued his fatwa against America in 1993 (Clinton) and thereafter attacked us and our interests (both here and abroad) repeatedly during the Clinton administration, provoking no meaningful response (i.e., Clinton kept us out of war, thereby bringing the war home on 9/11). It was Clinton who botched it with Russia, helping to bring Putin to power long ere Pres. Bush took office, yet to hear the D's, Putin is Bush's fault.

                                Mind you, I am not a fan of the Bush administration, but let's not paint the Clinton years with a false brush. Maybe the Dems are right and we shouldn't risk electing a governor to office... Trouble is, the D's keep nominating them.

                                  #4.8 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:22 PM EDT
                                  LusciousDC

                                  He sure as hell won't put us in the middle of a senseless war and lie about the reason. He won't worry so much about acquiring oil from Iraq that he totally ignores the stress and strife of his own country. He won't put our economy in such dire straits that thousands of people are losing their home. If a terrorist bombed us, he would go after the terrorist, not a man that had nothing to do with the bombing. As you can see during this campaign, he nor biden are afraid to answer questions. McCain has Palin out front to deflect questions from him and stupid little Palin just doesn't know better. Doesn't she know that they are just using her. And she really thinks she has it going on. No sweetie, when it comes down to brass tacks, she will crumble under pressure and McCain will get so pissed off he has an aneurysm. Most of these people that are singing McCain/palin's praises are living in a world with blue grass and green skys. If McCain was going to make change, he woulkd have done something by now. Damn, he's been a senator for how long? He couldn't network and get supporters to help him make these changes? C'mon now. How long does it take? I mean, he sided with Bush 90% of the time. What makes you believe he has different plans in mind? What? I wish I could sit down and ask McCain/Palin some hard core questions. They would crack under the pressure and I'm a nobody as far as politics go. When are you going to stop believing the hype? You know they say the proof is in the pudding. I think the last 8 years shows where the minds of Republicans are.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #4.9 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 11:06 PM EDT
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                                  Tennessee

                                  It takes a lot for someone to take care of a child and have a full time job. Now lets talk about five children and being vice president! Personally, not caring for your own children is the same thing as abortion in my book. It's just psychological instead of medical. The article says she can balance this, but everything we do has an impact on something else. I think it's obviously her family. Why else would she have a knocked up 17 year old? I am not saying that isn't common, but it is more likely to families who parental figures aren't in the picture like they should be. Just seems someone running in the, "I like to cram my moral fiber down your throat party" should really take a look at family values. What do you expect from a party who would tax some middle class guy breaking his back to dig a ditch for his family and not from some rich guy who can make millions in the name of, "capital gains"?

                                  • 17 votes
                                  Reply#5 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 7:04 AM EDT
                                  Paul-246112

                                  Tennessee:
                                  According to your standards, If a woman was a young teenager and was pregnant with child, and she didn't know who the father was, ....you think under normal circumstances she could have an abortion?
                                  Good thing you didn't have to make that decision 2000 years ago when Christ was born of Mary. If you were Joseph, there never would of been a Jesus Christ !

                                  IF FACT if you were Obama's father, he would of been aborted too. Remember his mother conceived before she was married and she was a teenager too !

                                    #5.1 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:16 PM EDT
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                                    June Cleaver in Tie Dye

                                    If you don't care for Sarah Palin, that is totally your right. But to base that decision on her womanhood, motherhood, and home life, instead of her experience (or lack thereof, according to some) is ridiculous. Could it be that one MUST attack her for irrelevant reasons, because they can't attack her on her record? You can say she has lack of experience all you like, but then, if you're an intelligently honest person, you have to hold Barak Obama to that same standard, and he comes up short. And he's running for President, not VP.
                                    The feminists have been espousing the argument for longer than I have been alive, that women can have their cake and eat it too. Now Sarah Palin is doing just that, and all of a sudden there are cries of, "Why isn't this woman at home taking care of her children?" Give me a break.
                                    The smear campaign, the articles written in such condescending tones, and the all-out hostility are based on just one thing--fear. The media and the democrats, who have not lived in the real world with the rest of us for the past few generations, are afraid of a woman.
                                    Your hypocritical slip is showing! People are taking notice. And you SHOULD be afraid...be very afraid.

                                    • 5 votes
                                    #6 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 7:27 AM EDT
                                    Fisherman144

                                    PLEASE take notice yourself. Where have you been for the last eight years? You must one of those who think that the Republican Party isn't the same party that Mr. Bush represents. Forget Palin and look at the issues. There is no bias between male or female....there IS when family is put way behind ambition. Fertility doesn't make her good VP material.

                                    • 11 votes
                                    #6.1 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:07 AM EDT
                                    Beckwolf

                                    "You must one of those who think that the Republican Party isn't the same party that Mr. Bush represents."

                                    Actually, Bush has ignored his economic Republicans for years, he doesn't represent the party in the slightest with the vast majority of his actions. He'll prepare a very positive bill, Republicans will vote in favor of it (rightly so), but then Bush will implement that proposal so poorly that its effects backlash. That, coupled with a Congress that forces additions which oftentimes minimalize the positives stated within and often completely reverse them with the crap they toss in, and we have what we see today. The Republican Party ISN'T the same party that Bush represents, and thankfully they're even farther when representing what the majority of Congress represents. Both deserve their approval ratings, and neither represent their respective parties in the slightest. Voting Republican is voting for incentive programs for the poor, bills to offer more universal health care in a privatized choice based system, modifications to the corporate tax rate (single most expensive in the world and more than double that of the second highest, accounting for nothing short of MOST of our outsourcing problems), development incentives to give individuals OUTSIDE of big business a say in developing new technologies and thus bringing in a greater job market (current Democratic proposals eliminate individual contributions outside of big business, so as much as Obama says that he wants to use alternative energies as a means to create jobs he pushes proposals that don't allow new technologies to be invented which would allow those jobs to be created), modifications to the tax system to tax business based on profit percentage and NOT a flat rate that doesn't take into account economic timing and thus cost to the consumer, etc. In short, voting Reupblican is voting for things that Bush has largely ignored, and voting for things that the Democrat running is ALSO choosing to ignore, despite his frilly promises. So your comment that the Republican Party is the same as the one Bush represents is entirely, 100% bogus, a line used to sway votes but not even remotely based on reality, proven by the policies McCain is pushing and more importantly the METHODS to implement them, and comparing them to those Bush implemented and his methods. Very, very different. Economically, as someone who used to live out of a car and was saved by Republican work inventive opportunities (would still be living in a car if I stuck with Democratic social assistance that gives food but keeps you poor without a resume), and now able to afford a moderately decent apartment and a reliable auto, economically and environmentally the only choice I see is McCain, though I wouldn't even consider voting for Bush, ever.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #6.2 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 9:05 AM EDT
                                    JIrbyDeleted
                                    Olive-315325

                                    you joking or drunk or something? to vote for someone based on their genetalia is sexist. if you truly believe that men and women are equal, then it logically follows that you would choose which candidate to vote for based on something other than his/her gender- if we are all equal, it's our policy views and credibility that matter.

                                    palin seems to be a liar and completely unqualified for the job that palin is seeking so i would not vote for palin. even if you are so hung up on candidates' genetalia, do you really want the first woman in that position to be someone like her? it's pretty established that mccain chose her on the basis of her genetalia so does that mean that mccain thinks that she is the best woman for the job? does he think that she is what women are generally like? what does that say about him?

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #6.4 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 12:28 PM EDT
                                    daisy-369050

                                    Her child rearing, her job, her bursts of controlling situations, ie firings, censorships, etc., her interferring husband in government......doesn't that all go in defining her character which is so all important to a Republican????

                                    I love a T-shirt I saw recently.......Jesus was a community organizer, Pontious pilot was a govenor.........says it all.

                                    • 4 votes
                                    #6.5 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 12:29 PM EDT
                                    Ann-337783

                                    I do not want someone who believes in creationism having power over my life or the life of the USA. She does not believe global warming is real even as lumps of Canada and the Arctic the size of Delaware are breaking off and melting away. She wants to destroy the wilderness in Alaska. She would control reading materials available to the public. She wants to thrust her ideas of abstinence and lack of sex education down our throats and doesn't want abortion sanctioned even for incest and rape victims. I do not want this woman to be in charge of anyone, let alone the whole country.
                                    Wake up America!! If McCain and Palin are elected you deserve everything they are going to throw at you. Roll on WWIII, I'm alright Jack policies, laissez faire economics, huge debt to foreign countries, richer corporations and CEOS and a poorer middle class. Forget the working classes - they are not even in the equation.

                                    • 4 votes
                                    #6.6 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 12:34 PM EDT
                                    ewent

                                    What record? What does she know about foreign affairs? A woman who brings kids into the world and let's someone else do all the work, is a prima donna who likes to "make" kids....just not the part that has to do with acting responsibly "after" she makes the kid.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #6.7 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 1:38 PM EDT
                                    Pat1987

                                    June..
                                    the only reason people are talking about her family in the first place is because she put her family out there by accepting the VP slot and she made it worst by exposing her daughter to the media with her announcement. And when people actually started discussing it (go figure) she acts like her privacy has been invaded somehow.. She announced it first remember!!! She did not care about the pressure and shame that would fall on her daughter, just like she doesn't seem to give a damn about the well being of her newborn special-needs son. A good mother would never ever go to make some political speech if she thought for ONE SECOND that it may jeopardise the well being of her unborn son. (maybe in the back of her mind she wanted to miscarry.. because I just can't believe she was that foolish and careless.) And worst of all, she's being trumpeted as 'one tough lady'. She's just a very VERY STUPID, HEARTLESS and Selfish woman to me who is prostituting her family in the media to make her look like mother of the year, when in truth she is a crappy mother, and a ruthless politician. Where will her children be when she's in the office, or away on business? And as for her record.. June please look up her record for yourself because it condemns her even more than her family life does. Do you have a little thing called goggle? Shame on you Palin. And June I'm sorry if you've bought into all of this, we are in the age of knowledge, so none of us has any excuse.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #6.8 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 2:28 PM EDT
                                    NickA

                                    The McCain campaign has already stated that this is going to be based on personality and not issues. So bottom line is; if that's the way they want it, fine. I'll put Obama's and Biden's personality traits up against McCain's and Palin's any day. And when I do, when I go after character flaws, questions of judgement, and anything else that might not be "part of the issues", you better not complain/whine/bitch, lest I refer you back to Palin's hollow, mocking, disrespectful speech she gave at the RNC. DO NOT tell me to treat her with respect and deference, when she cannot see fit to do the same.
                                    The Republicans have turned this into a shameful popularity contest, and when someone criticizes them, they complain. Buck-up, if you don't like it, get back to the issues.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #6.9 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 2:32 PM EDT
                                    Steve-378575

                                    Has nothing to do with her being a woman, has to do with her views. There's one that stands head and shoulders above the rest - she tried to have books removed from the library! That alone is enough to make the sane folk vote against her.

                                    Next you can move to her views on abortion and birth control.

                                    After that, there's the earmark hypocricy; she's against earmarks but gathered more $ per capita than any other representative in the nation.

                                    Her "celebrity" will wear off in a week or so and this will settle down and return to the issues. Then, it's bye bye McCain / Palin.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #6.10 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 4:06 PM EDT
                                    Julia Anderson

                                    Thank you for pointing this out. It doesn't take a Harvard professor in Foreign Relations to figure out that energy prices are making everything else rise and making us dangerously vulnerable to hostile foreign powers. Skyrocketing energy prices also are causing jobs and worker benefits to be cut. Who can keep up with their mortgage when just getting to work is devouring their paycheck, and I'm sure coming from a far flung State like Alaska Mrs. Palin knows not everyone can "just hop a bus" like liberals and city dwellers suggest. What about putting crops in the fields? Shall the farmers hitch the disc to the back of the bus too? Speaking of lack of intelligence? Every time I read about Gov. Palin, especially the thoughts she had to endure as a women and a mother in office, I think "Finally someone in the White house who knows where and how we all live!" Her experience and courage in those arenas is a lot more valuable than many realize. She is thoughtful, brave, intelligent, and tough. She is also something else, she is in touch with herself and with the people. Who among us has not faced issues within our families very similar to Mrs. Palin? Who among us has had her sensitivity and courage, her tenacity? Furthermore, just having a laundry list of college degrees does not make you do the right thing at the right time. I believe in her case that there is an intuition earned from being a caring, intelligent, mom in high office that could not be manufactured. She has the common sense, love of country, and integrity this country needs.

                                      #6.11 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 5:10 PM EDT
                                      LusciousDC

                                      Julia, can I hit that blunt 'cause you must have the good-good if you truly believe that BS you just posted. You must be high as hell.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #6.12 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 11:21 PM EDT
                                      Ann-337783

                                      I agree. I am so sick of this lauding of this woman, when millions of good, hard working, sensitive, intelligent women are routinely paid unequally and not allowed the kinds of privileges Palin's family has had in terms of bringing family to work, money from the state to pay for travel etc. Seeing the Republicans spin the pregnancy of the daughter is a thing of wonder and disgust. In a world governed by McCain/Palin there would be no choice to congratulate themselves on, even if she had been raped or had been the victim of rape. If this had been Obama's daughter it would have been fodder for the hate machine. Well done to Obama as well, keeping out of the fray, as he has done in the past with other issues. Of course, we know the Republicans probably view this as a weakness.
                                      I don't want this woman to have any power over me or my family or the USA.
                                      By the way, there is no debate between Creationism and evolution - one is science the other is belief.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #6.13 - Tue Sep 9, 2008 10:36 AM EDT
                                      Young Hot and Smart

                                      By the way, there is no debate between Creationism and evolution - one is science the other is belief

                                      Theories. Evolution in the sense that we evolved from particles etc is unproven.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #6.14 - Tue Sep 9, 2008 6:58 PM EDT
                                      SH-2000

                                      You believe that ONLY because you have NOT evolved enough to read anything other than the bible.

                                        #6.15 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 11:59 AM EDT
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                                        Pat-293163

                                        Why does she continue to exploit her baby? If she managed to keep her pregnancy secret for so long, she certainly is making up for lost time now!!!!! But then again, she realizes that this child and his disabilities can be turned into a political asset! She will get the pity vote and turn her delivery into an act of heroism!

                                        • 13 votes
                                        Reply#7 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 7:28 AM EDT
                                        grandmaphil

                                        You hit the nail on the head.

                                        • 5 votes
                                        #7.1 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:59 AM EDT
                                        Beckwolf

                                        "Why does she continue to exploit her baby?"

                                        Because the Democrats won't stop mentioning it for even five minutes, so she has no choice but to use the publicity. She can either ignore it and let them turn it into bad publicity as they are trying and often doing successfully, or she can fight back by using the situation to create her own publicity. It's pretty obvious that when she mentions it the most, it is always times shortly after the Democrats spend a good deal of time on the situation. It's a reactive choice, not chosen exploitation. The Democrats seem to feel that this child can be used as a political asset for them, so she is doing the only possible thing in response, trying to turn it into a political asset for her. It's about the only reactive choice given the situation and the amount of time the Demcoratic Party is devoting to using her baby as an excuse for her being a bad choice.

                                        • 5 votes
                                        #7.2 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 9:08 AM EDT
                                        Tad-401841

                                        Beckwolf,

                                        Good response.

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #7.3 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 9:37 AM EDT
                                        Olive-315325

                                        Beckwolf & Tad,

                                        the reason the democrats are talking about this baby is that her situation regarding it suggests that she is a liar, selfish, and perhaps stupid. democrats would rather not have a lying, selfish, stupid person as their president if 71 yr old mccain's health or mental acuity start going downhill. lying, selfish, stupid people are not very good leaders. that's why it's relevant.

                                        the other thing democrats have been repeating is that it would be interesting if the republicans started talking more about what mccain and palin would actually do in office, instead of pretending to be spending all of their time thinking about this baby.

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #7.4 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 12:36 PM EDT
                                        Ann-337783

                                        Everyone congratulates her on choosing to have the baby, and her daughter for having her baby. They have a choice!! under a McCain / Palin administration there would be no choice in the matter. Sex education will lose any funding, except preaching abstinence, and more unwanted babies will be brought into the world or illegally aborted.
                                        The republicans just love all this focus on the baby, as it takes the attention away from the issues that should be concerning us all - the economy, energy, foreign policy. If the McCain /Palin ticket wins, shame on the American people.

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #7.5 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 12:40 PM EDT
                                        common sense-457836

                                        No Democrat has ever mentioned her baby. Obama said that family was off limits immediately after her nomination and has never mentioned her family since.

                                        The People of America mention her baby because the People have a right to know about the person who wants to be their leader.

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #7.6 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 12:53 PM EDT
                                        Marv-505436

                                        First of all, I don't think you can account for every Democrat in the United States so that comment may be a bit off but I give credit to Senator Obama for taking that stand, it's the right one. But, please, please, please tell us how he's going to run this country!!! I don't want to hear about his experience, I'm sure he was a fine community organizer, and a wonderful civil rights lawyer, senator, etc. I'm really more interested in hearing HOW he's going to lead us and save us from the past 8 years!!! Educate me, please.

                                          #7.7 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 2:21 PM EDT
                                          NickA

                                          Marv,
                                          "please, please, please, tell us how he's going to run this country." Really? Really? Did you ask your friends to do your homework for you? Go to his website, attend a hometown meeting, RESEARCH!
                                          IF you would have watched to two conventions you would have seen a remarkable, distinguishable difference between the two messages being presented;
                                          -Obama/Biden spoke about tax cuts for the middle class, creating new jobs through development of green technology, health care reform, re-engaging the international community on a more diplomatic level, balancing our budget, providing better health care for all of our Veterans, improving our technology and manufacturing edge, becoming the world leader in environmental issues, etc.
                                          -McCain/Palin mocked the accomplishments of Obama and Democrats without ever laying our any plan (comprehensive or otherwise) for where they really want to take this country, they perpetrated two gigantic myths about Gov Palin; sold the Gov's jet on eBay, that is was sold for a profit, and said "thanks, but no thanks" to the "Bridge to Nowhere". Both were untrue, she never sold the plane on eBay, when she did sell it, it ws for a loss, and she still kept the money that was allocated to the "Bridge to Nowhere". Thus and veil of questionable credibility and truth now pervade anything they say.
                                          Bottom line: IF you really want to know, the truth is out there.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #7.8 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 3:10 PM EDT
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                                          Hank-504608

                                          I think this thread and topic is an insult to the many men and women who have supported feminism and equality for women over the past decades. The issue of Governer Palin's family is her issue, and she apparently has done fine in balancing her personal life with her job. Another pseudo issue, which seems to only apply to this particular woman, is her foreign policy experience. The reality is that she has the same foreign policy experience as most candidates for the presidency or vice presidency which is zero! Almost any governor (or even Congressman) running for office has no real foreign policy experience, and I do not recall the complaints about this issue when Bill Clinton ran for office. Perhaps the real debate should be about executive experience since the President is, after all, the Chief Executive of our country. As has previously been stated, Sarah Palin had more executive experience in the first hour of being mayor, than Senator's Obama and Biden combined.

                                          • 5 votes
                                          Reply#8 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 7:29 AM EDT
                                          Fisherman144

                                          She ISN'T running for President! Compare her to Biden and she can't hold a candle to his international experience. Where has she gone in her life? -to Germany once. That's all. She does know that Alaska is close, in geography, to Russia. Can she find Afghanistan on a map? She has No comprehension about how the world works. It's not a matter of experience, it's a question of the ability to be what she can never be. If a female was to be part of the Republican ticket, why wasn't a much more secure and national figure asked to join the Republican effort? The answer is that the RNC wanted a female puppet....nothing more.

                                          • 11 votes
                                          #8.1 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:14 AM EDT
                                          Tad-401841

                                          Fisherman,

                                          Sarah Palin has more education and experience in government than most complainers could ever hope to have.

                                          Criticizing her abilities only reveals the fear that detractors have of her.

                                          Criticizing her husband and children definitely shows desperation and absolute terror.

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #8.2 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 9:53 AM EDT
                                          GrabanIdiot

                                          You mean her husband sitting during official meetings and being copy furnished vital emails to other government officials -------- an example of SUPERB EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE ??????

                                          So now a married couple executing a job meant for ONE elected public official constitutes superb executive performance ?!!!!!!!!!!!!! Okay, lets have a conjugal dictatorship then and hope McCain will truly like that !!

                                          We didnt elect the husband to office now, did we ?

                                          • 6 votes
                                          #8.3 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 10:08 AM EDT
                                          GrabanIdiot

                                          And oh, Palin has more education than we do ?

                                          What do you think of people who post - incapable of having multiple postgraduate degrees ? Speak for yourself !!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #8.4 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 10:12 AM EDT
                                          Tad-401841

                                          Are you one of those multiple post graduate degree holders? If not then say no more.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #8.5 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 10:29 AM EDT
                                          GrabanIdiot

                                          Tad, which one are you ? You first.

                                            #8.6 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 10:34 AM EDT
                                            Lynne in Alabama

                                            Hank --
                                            Hate to break it to you...
                                            "... her family is her issue and she has done a good balancing act..."

                                            Yeah, well, how did a minor get pregnant??? I am sure it was not her parents' choice. And what about HOW she got pregnant? instead of her "admiring" choice to have the baby?
                                            She had unprotected sex!

                                            I do know people make mistakes, and why did Bristol make a mistake? I can answer why a lotta teens go off the page and make mistakes, but here you have a pro-life, abstinence-only set of parents, why oh why did that not work for them??? Poor child whose mother is more interested in her political career. I don't care how much help you have in a husband, children NEED their mother, girls NEED their mother -- to be focused on them and their daily activities. Palin seems quite the conservative on a platform, and quite the liberal at the house!

                                            • 3 votes
                                            #8.7 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 11:48 AM EDT
                                            daisy-369050

                                            I for one, do not think she cares one iota for feminism, she only cares for Sara Palin, not even her family is number one with her..........take off the blinders and you might see the truth. If she was a Democrat.....you (the rep.) would be the first to stone her........

                                            • 2 votes
                                            #8.8 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 12:33 PM EDT
                                            GenoTenn

                                            How do you people know so much about these candidates? Do you speak with them personally? Are you related to them? No! you are just creating an image of what you hope they represent, well get real, these people have only one ambition - power.

                                              #8.9 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 1:29 PM EDT
                                              LusciousDC

                                              Daisy..You hit the nail right on the head.
                                              Tad...my, my, my. You are a misguided soul. Come back to the flock of knowledge my child. Who do you think is going to have a better advantage with foreign affairs. OBAMA! Do you not think that they also watch our elections. Who do you think they want in the white house? It's not McCain. Bush ruined foreign relations for us to the point that NOBODY respects Americans anymore. Hell most Americans can't respect America right now. If I had the money, I wouldn't even worry about this election because I would have moved out of this country 4 years ago. But because of Bush's greediness I can't afford to do that. If we want to get along with other countries and prevent wars, OBAMA IS THE MAN! If you want poverty, hunger, wars, and homelessness vote MCCain/Palin!

                                                #8.10 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 11:34 PM EDT
                                                gabriel-507527

                                                Grabanidiot 9.3

                                                I like your (misplaced) argument about the conjugal dictatorship. If Hillary ever runs for anything again I will seek your advise on how best to argue this position.

                                                • 1 vote
                                                #8.11 - Tue Sep 9, 2008 9:19 AM EDT
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                                                Janice-504615

                                                I'm curious if any of the women who were asked to write this story - smart move NYT - had ever been given news that the baby they were carrying was disabled? How did they handle the news? All these cheesy reports are doing is giving sympathy to Palin.

                                                  Reply#9 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 7:41 AM EDT
                                                  Amy In Indiana

                                                  Can I point out that Republicans would consider this baby to be a burden on society if it was born to a poor or working-class family?

                                                  That Republicans are proud that Palin's 17 year old daughter chose to keep her baby ONLY BECAUSE the Palin Family can afford to raise it?

                                                  And that her attempt to follow the "Teach Abstinence" plan failed in her own home?

                                                  I see the whole "Paline Clan" as another example of Republican-endorsed failed policies and double standards.

                                                  I'm not judging Palin because of her womanhood - I'm judging her based on the Policies of the Party she represents and the obvious examples of FAILURE.

                                                  • 13 votes
                                                  Reply#10 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 7:46 AM EDT
                                                  Beckwolf

                                                  "Can I point out that Republicans would consider this baby to be a burden on society if it was born to a poor or working-class family?"

                                                  I'm confused, how does that make sense? The baby WAS born to a working class family. Her husband is a regular blue collar worker, so your comment is completely off base. Of course, even if she was rich, your comment would also be completely false, but in this case it's easily more shown as such.

                                                  • 3 votes
                                                  #10.1 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 9:10 AM EDT
                                                  justthinkaboutit-504803

                                                  You do realize that they probably have a combined salary close to $200, 000. You must be one of those $5,000,000 middle class people who think the Palins are working class.

                                                  • 1 vote
                                                  #10.2 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 10:01 AM EDT
                                                  LusciousDC

                                                  Beckwolf, you rich b@stard, can I get a loan? 'Cause we're all gonna need it with McCain/Palin in office.

                                                  Just think....With a comment like the one McCain made about middle class being 5,000,000.00 just goes to show how far off base and out of touch this man really is. (might be dementia or Alzheimer's setting in) I wish I had a spouse that was filthy rich. McCain should retire and rest easy. He doesn't look well. For all of those who think this man is going to last four years, it's a dream. Every time I see him he's paler than the last time. He needs to get bigger collars on his shirts because they look like they are choking the crap out of him, or is that just the way he normally looks?

                                                    #10.3 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 11:45 PM EDT
                                                    ming-315743

                                                    It boggles my mind that the GOP is so enthralled with an unmarried pregnant teen. since when have they been so compassionate. My, my they are turning into liberals.

                                                      #10.4 - Tue Sep 9, 2008 5:43 PM EDT
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                                                      Lmasure

                                                      I don't understand why she hid her pregnancy. If she's so far out in the abortion arena, wouldn't she be proud to announce that at her age she was pregnant, and happy about it?? But, no, she hid it not only from colleagues, but her family as well, and when she did tell them, she didn't mention his downs syndrome. Sounds a lot to me like she was embarrassed. Add in the fact of her losing amniotic fluid yet still gave a speech - knowing how dangerous it was and that she was putting this baby at risk. Apparently it's okay to be anti abortion, yet also okay to do what you want with complete disregard for that child you opted not to terminate. Selfish, selfish, selfish woman!!

                                                      I completely understand the need to prove to people that your family will not get in the way of your job - been there done that as a single mother at the age of 30 - however, I would NEVER have put my child at risk of anything for my job, regardless of what job that is. I am completely PRO CHOICE, yet I'm against abortion as a form of 'birth control'. I'm glad to hear she kept the baby - though with her anti abortion stance she didn't have much of a choice, did she... it just seems very strange that even with her beliefs about abortion, family values, etc., she really dropped the ball on this one.

                                                      When someone hides something, it's typically because they're embarrassed. Sounds just like Palin with her pregnancy. She was first embarrassed about getting pregnant - something women should be proud and happy about (depending on the situation), hiding not only that, but the problems her child (as well as her and her hubby) would face once he came into the world.

                                                      If you're a woman of her age who gets pregnant, you know the risks - you get over any issue with the baby, and pretty soon you're thrilled regardless of any problems. I don't know any woman who would have put their child at risk by losing amniotic fluid, disregard it and continue on with their day at work. It's absurd and unbelievable that she did that, and even worse, hearing people praise her for it!! Think people, THINK! Right away this tells me she's more interested in her job than her family - not what you expect to hear from a candidate who pushes "family values" on you.

                                                      • 10 votes
                                                      Reply#11 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 7:49 AM EDT
                                                      Fisherman144

                                                      You haven't gone far enough on the hidden pregnancy thing. She knew that her unborn baby had Downs syndrome. She also knew that being pro-life she must carry this child to term.....but she walked around giving speeches and traveling while losing amniotic fluid. You'd think that was insane, but no....it was a strong attempt to miscarry or have this baby still born so she didn't have to raise a defective child. In her mind she only thought of power and political success....not family, birth and life!

                                                      • 12 votes
                                                      #11.1 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:19 AM EDT
                                                      photochick

                                                      My thoughts exactly. She chose not to have an abortion, but she didn't really choose to have a healthy pregnancy. The only reason that I can think of not to tell people is that you then wouldn't have to tell people when you lose it. She could pray that it would be God's will for the child not to make it and nobody would know. And since she left it in God's hands, it was not her responsibility. She just went about her life as she always did and flew from Texas to Alaska even though she was leaking amniotic fluid, pushing it to the limits.

                                                      Even when she did finally tell her family, she didn't even tell them that the child had Downs Syndrome. I can't even imagine someone waiting to tell her children that she was pregnant until a month before giving birth and then not even telling them that he would have special needs. Did she not think that they can handle it? She didn't really give them a chance, did she? This just shows how deceptive she can be. And to then be praised for being so brave for keeping the child is horrible.

                                                      I don't think I know anyone who would have aborted the child when they found out that he would have special needs. Pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion. It does not mean that we go around having unprotected sex whenever we want to and just abort the child if it's not convenient.

                                                      And speaking of unprotected sex... it's what kids who are not educated on sex and given protection end up having. Giving kids protection doesn't mean that you're enabling or encouraging them to have sex. If they're going to do it, they're going to do it with or without the protection. At least if they have the protection, they can prevent another unwanted pregnancy.

                                                      • 1 vote
                                                      #11.2 - Tue Sep 9, 2008 4:34 PM EDT
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                                                      Rachel Schwartz

                                                      No one has the right to make any comments on Sara Palin's balancing act of work and family life except for working mothers. Certainly no man who has never changed a diaper or taken care of a sick child should even open his mouth and criticize this remarkable woman's abilities as a working mother. Why is it that no one expects her husband to take care of the children's needs such that she can pursue her career? Why is it always the mother who's criticized for not being there when the children need care? As a former working mother, I know exactly how Sara Palin feels and I wish her all the best in all her endeavors. Let me remind everyone that it has never been how much time one spends with the kids...it's always been about the quality of the time one spends with the kids. Shame on the women who are busy criticizing her. They're just jealous and upset that they didn't do or lacked the ability to do what she's trying to do. I raised two sons and I pursued a difficult time consuming career with great success. I gave birth to my first son and continued writing my graduate thesis at the hospital. Today my sons are my best friends and are highly accomplished men. My youngest son is a highly respected attorney named at the age of 26 one of America's 100 most influential attorneys by the National Law Journal and my older son is an MD/PhD and surgical oncologist. My sons never doubted for a nanosecond that I would always be there for them and that their welfare was primary to me. Their respect for me and what I was able to do for them and myself could not be higher than it is. I'm sure that's exactly what Sara Palin's relationship with her children is and again I wish her great success with all that she undertakes.

                                                      • 4 votes
                                                      Reply#12 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 7:49 AM EDT
                                                      Fisherman144

                                                      Great! Then let her work at something that doesn't affect the entire country.

                                                      • 9 votes
                                                      #12.1 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:21 AM EDT
                                                      Sidplicity

                                                      there aren't any single dads in the world?

                                                      • 3 votes
                                                      #12.2 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 9:01 AM EDT
                                                      justthinkaboutit-504803

                                                      Racheal, as one who had to work on your thesis during your labor in the hospital, you should be offended that someone with less than half of your education--none being in law, foreign affairs or administration-- is being nominated for the VP of the USA because she is a woman and mother. I am sure as a single mom one of your main concerns was your salary and making sure that it could support your family. Yet John McCain (who is the actual candidate for president) voted against equal pay for equal work for women. It would make since to me that the challenges that you overcame as a single mother--like poor funding for public education and unequal salaries-- should be improved upon if not eliminated as much as possible-- not packaged and marketed as change by a mother of five with little to no education.

                                                      It is also sad that Palin claims she is advocate for "special needs" children and cut special needs funding in schools in Alaska by over 50 %. This shows me the hypocrisy that we have not fully seen from this woman.

                                                      Lastly, Palin has a strong belief in the constitutional right to bear arms, but she has forgotten what was listed first on the list and that was the freedom of speech and the press. You see as mayor, she tried to have books banned from the local library. What this tells me is that she would like to pick and choose which constitutional bill of rights she would like US to follow.

                                                      I could go on and on, but the Obama campaign will have to bring the focus off of this woman and back on the issues like the economy, Iraq/US world standing, health care, education and the environment. I am from a rural town and it is so hard for me to believe that there are people sitting in poverty, facing starvation, and lacking health care that would say, "I like this Palin chick." Come on America, just think about it. We can't survive in this world with 4 more years like the last 8.

                                                      Praying for America!!!

                                                      • 5 votes
                                                      #12.3 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 9:42 AM EDT
                                                      Lynne in Alabama

                                                      Rachel,
                                                      I have the right because I did exactly what you did -- matriculated and worked while simultaneously raising a family. My kids turned out fine, my marraige--another issue! Yes, you can balance, but as my niece put it, right now, the Palin family is in crisis with a special needs child, and another "child" who is pregnant! How can you balance a more demanding job (ie, assisting the POTUS in matters of the world), and 5 children ALL minors? Whatever it took for the 17 yo to become impregnated, will take the same for the 14 yo. Lack of parental guidance yeild just what Bristol Palin got -- an illigitmate baby! I repeat, let's not overlook the HOW she got pregnant and stop with the admiration of "her decision to keep the baby", no decision like that would've been made if that child had preventive options. The reality is this: children NEED both parents, both attentive parents. Babies and daughters NEEd their mothers as a nurturing entity to add to the fathers who are actively involved. It has been proven that mothers cannot, however, raise boys (meaning do an adequate job of it in respect to their role in this world), and likewise fathers fall short on the nurturing tip -- I believe due to the way God made us.

                                                      As someone put it, when the time comes for you to place your hand on that Bible and swear to whatever VPs swears to, you then are responsible for your duties in the WH regardless to what is going on with your family - Country First - Children (a big- fat) Second!

                                                      • 2 votes
                                                      #12.4 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 12:28 PM EDT
                                                      dan oconnell

                                                      justthinkaboutit-
                                                      you have given two examples for things that Governor Palin did. Reduce special ed funding by 50% and try to ban library books. Both of which have been proven to not have happened. You also say you could go on and on, and it is well that you did not go on and on, as the hearsay items you no doubt would have brought up have all been proven false as well.

                                                        #12.5 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 12:31 PM EDT
                                                        Olive-315325

                                                        we have the right to discuss anything relevant to her ability to perform the job she is seeking. if she is a lying, selfish, and/or stupid person and this baby stuff is evidence of that, these attributes are very relevant to how well she would perform in this and so this baby stuff is completely relevant to her ability to perform the job.

                                                        • 1 vote
                                                        #12.6 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 12:45 PM EDT
                                                        Olive-315325

                                                        rachel,

                                                        ps. i think your children and palin's genetalia are not relevant to whether she is qualified for the job she seeks. why not show how impressive you are by making wise comments.

                                                          #12.7 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 12:47 PM EDT
                                                          Roger-356271

                                                          People I don't believe Palins children or husband or friends or gender should be a factor in the election. I think that she should be judged on her own merit. If she is ever allowed to say anything on her own I'm positive she will prove to the people who she really is. I am positive if she ever gets to make an independent decision she will handle it with the skill that most of know she has. I will pray that McCain makes it 4 years.

                                                            #12.8 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 2:20 PM EDT
                                                            Steve-378575

                                                            Daqn O'Connel - cite your source for saying that the attempted banning of books and reduction of funding for special needs was proven false. I'll help you out, check out the Anchorage Daily News.

                                                            You will find factual news sources there that list her actions. If you're going to say something is true or untrue - cite your source.

                                                            No more lies, no more s t r e t c h i n g the truth, no more slander - the American people have had enough of Karl Rove.

                                                            • 1 vote
                                                            #12.9 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 4:14 PM EDT
                                                            LusciousDC

                                                            Thanks for that Steve, I thought I was going to have to school Dan O'Connell.

                                                            • 1 vote
                                                            #12.10 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 11:55 PM EDT
                                                            dan oconnell

                                                            Steve378575
                                                            Newsweek, an left leaning magazine.

                                                              #12.11 - Tue Sep 9, 2008 12:40 PM EDT
                                                              dan oconnell

                                                              steve and luscious
                                                              the link did not come through. I dont know how to add a link to the comment but look on todays Newsweek online.

                                                                #12.12 - Tue Sep 9, 2008 12:55 PM EDT
                                                                DC-371954

                                                                Regarding the "special needs" budget:

                                                                Education Week

                                                                Regarding the book ban question:

                                                                Wasilla Newspaper

                                                                But I suppose, since everything you choose not to believe is a lie, that some folks will decide both sources must have been "manipulated" by the Republicans. Because everyone knows the Democratic party cannot, never has, and never will mislead people for their own ends.

                                                                Hell, I don't like ANY of these candidates, but I'm sick of all the lies that BOTH parties and their dogs are spreading. Just ONCE I would like to see an honest campaign between honest human beings, but politics is politics.

                                                                  #12.13 - Tue Sep 9, 2008 9:08 PM EDT
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                                                                  John-335572

                                                                  I can't believe people, especially the liberals, trying to make someone's pregnancy a political issue.

                                                                  Move on, people!

                                                                  Talk about something that matters!

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                                                                  Reply#13 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:01 AM EDT
                                                                  YOHUNN

                                                                  THE ONES MAKING IT AN ISSUE ARE THE REP! They keep saying that it is an asset and a testament to her hard work and values. She won't do an interview. Her speeches about policies are none existence. She is using her own family to make a point about running this country as a married woman with five kids who can work and handle the situations at home. that's the only thing right now we have to go on is her family life since that's all they (republicans) want to put out.

                                                                  Fox News- Bill O says that her daughter's pregnancy is a family matter and they are doing the right thing because society want be taking care of it. But yet he says the Spears parents are pinheads and should be at fault for there daughters pregnancy. TOTAL HIPOCRACY

                                                                  • 3 votes
                                                                  #13.1 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 12:29 PM EDT
                                                                  Lorraine-464425

                                                                  The problem with Sarah Palin position is that she has been put on record saying she would veto abortions even in the cases of rape and incest. Sarah is saying we have to respect her family's ability to make this decision but elect me so that I can keep your family from having the same opportunity. That's strikes me as hypocracy. So when it comes down to her daughter, respect her decision to have the baby, but once she gets into office, that decision is removed from the family and controlled by the government.

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                                                                  #13.2 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 1:53 PM EDT
                                                                  DC-371954

                                                                  Lorraine:

                                                                  Last time I checked, presidents cannot veto something that has already been passed into law. She's already had to swallow the pill as governor that, even if she disagrees with something (gay rights in that particular case), she can't choose NOT to allow something that is already legal and constitutional.

                                                                  Roe Vs. Wade has been on the books how many years now? 35? How many Republican presidents and congresses has it survived? How many republican-appointed justices have NOT struck it down? Has there ever been a REAL, serious threat to overturn it? It's pretty safe. Supreme court justices don't like to revisit cases that previous supreme courts ruled on, and won't touch it. The democrats trot out the same argument every time a republican even mentions the word "life". It's one more way to scare people into voting their way, and it works well for them.

                                                                  As for

                                                                  that decision is removed from the family and controlled by the government.

                                                                  Isn't it in the hands of the government as opposed to the family now? Does a woman have to get her parents' or spouse's or baby-daddy's input before getting an abortion now? Does she even have to let them know? Supreme Court says it's none of their business. If your daughter gets frisky at college and gets pregnant, as long as she's over 18, she can get an abortion and you don't need to hear about it. I live near a college campus, my co-workers are students, my fiancee is a student, and believe me it happens more often than most parents would care to think.

                                                                    #13.3 - Tue Sep 9, 2008 9:54 PM EDT
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                                                                    BUBBER

                                                                    Dumb America wins again. Mccain and Palin.

                                                                    • 4 votes
                                                                    Reply#14 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:04 AM EDT
                                                                    Fisherman144

                                                                    You're absolutely right. Forget McCain-Palin and vote the way the Country must go. Vote for the winning ticket, Obama-Biden.

                                                                    • 10 votes
                                                                    #14.1 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:23 AM EDT
                                                                    GenoTenn

                                                                    We are getting dumber with every election.

                                                                    • 1 vote
                                                                    #14.2 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 1:36 PM EDT
                                                                    Get Real...

                                                                    Love that Obama cool ade - keep on drinkin'

                                                                      #14.3 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 4:20 PM EDT
                                                                      Lynn405

                                                                      that obama aide taste soooo good can't get enough

                                                                        #14.4 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 5:00 PM EDT
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                                                                        DC-371954

                                                                        I knew before I opened the article what the commentary was going to be like. She shows off the Down Syndrome baby, she's exploiting his condition; she doesn't show him off, she's hiding him out of shame. She tries to be VP and let her husband and kids help take care of the baby, she can't handle it; she tries to be VP AND take care of her son herself, she won't be able to give enough attention to her job. Why not just be honest and say "I don't want to see a liberated woman in government who doesn't hold the views I require a liberated woman to hold"? She hunts, she disagrees with abortion, she isn't a fervent environmentalist, and she's a Republican. If she was anti-hunting, anti-drilling, pro-choice and had gotten her daughter an abortion she'd be your feminine ideal. Instead, I've heard a few Newsvine bloggers say that she's "brainwashed and dominated" by her husband and party (obviously women can't have non-Democratic ideas of their own free will), and the rest find her totally unqualified for one reason or another.

                                                                        I was amused by the poster above who said

                                                                        Thank-you!! It is so sad that we live in a country where people allow their emotions to take precedence over their intelligence. All of the energy and commotion made over Palin because she's a woman is ridiculous.

                                                                        And I'm sure all the blacks who are being rounded up and registered to vote for Obama are doing so PURELY because they like what he's done for ILLinois.

                                                                        Another brought up Abraham Lincoln and tried co compare his qualifications with Obama's

                                                                        Here are A.Lincolns Qualifications

                                                                        Spent eight years in the Illinois legislature, and rode the circuit of courts for many years. In 1846 ran for the United States House of Representatives and won

                                                                        He made an unsuccessful bid for the U.S. Senate but received some support for the Republican vice-presidential nomination in 1856.

                                                                        He did not do so bad

                                                                        Ok, here are two other notes from that noble son of Illinois' presidentcy: plunged the country into a bloody civil war within a year of his election, and was assassinated at the beginning of his second term. Let's NOT follow his example. The only really positive thing Lincoln did in office was free the slaves, and if you read the text he ONLY did that in the states that had seceded, as a way of enticing southern blacks to undermine the Confederate war effort. And lets not forget the shining example of the second president from Illinois, Ulysses S. Grant, who's administration is remembered only for the pervasive national corruption that finally disgraced him.

                                                                        Ah hell, it doesn't matter. People hate Bush so much that Jesus and Buddha could lose on the Republican ticket this year. Just makes me sad that I'm probably going to have to pay for his mistakes with four years of Obama.

                                                                        • 5 votes
                                                                        Reply#15 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:07 AM EDT
                                                                        Fisherman144

                                                                        Are you kidding? Obama has more experience than Lincoln because he had access to a great education. He graduated at the top of his class and spent years as a supporter of the poor, a professor of Constitutional Law, and then Illinois Senator and the US Senator. You've gotten your facts backwards.....typical of a person who believes that Obama will continue the problems created by the Bush years. McCain will do that as a puppet of his party. Nobody, no one can save our children and their children from the debt that has been hung over their heads.

                                                                        • 6 votes
                                                                        #15.1 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:30 AM EDT
                                                                        common sense-457836

                                                                        DC-371954,

                                                                        Abortion, drilling, hunting, etc. Thank you for making a post that contains actual issues!
                                                                        Why you think those are somehow inexorably linked to being a 'liberated woman' I have no idea. Issues are issues. Gender is gender.

                                                                        The point is, on the issues, I think she is WRONG for America - and most of the rest of the country realizes the same (thank goodness).

                                                                        Sadly, whatever intelligence was in the first part of your post is completely erased by the second. You seem to imply that being shot was part of Lincoln's POLITICAL platform! And worse, that his platform was based on being from Illinois!

                                                                        Tell me, did FDR get polio because he was from New York?
                                                                        Or does magic accident voodoo only apply to Presidents from Illinois?

                                                                        You're right though this country does hate Bush. And they should. But here's the thing: McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time. And Palin is even more like Bush than McCain! They are the same.

                                                                        How can anyone who cares about this country vote for 4 more of last 8 years? How?

                                                                        • 2 votes
                                                                        #15.2 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 1:36 PM EDT
                                                                        GenoTenn

                                                                        US Grant was born in Ohio

                                                                          #15.3 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 1:38 PM EDT
                                                                          bv48

                                                                          You're being a little dramatic here. If I agreed with McCain's politics, it wouldn't matter. We were lied to about WMD's and now it's costing America 10 Billion a month while Iraq is making 80 million a week on oil. That's what we hate. We hate the fact that our VP gave a CIA Agent's name up because he didn't like that her spouse was asking too many questions of the administration. We didn't like that Halliburton got a lifetime of contracts without a single bid. We hate that our President and VP have pretty much sold America out from underneath us. People really hate the fact that McCain has pretty much stated he intends to stay that course. We can't keep this up. We've already spent our children's inheritance and now we can start on our grandchildren's. Great family values.

                                                                          • 1 vote
                                                                          #15.4 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 3:00 PM EDT
                                                                          DC-371954

                                                                          Abortion, drilling, hunting, etc. Thank you for making a post that contains actual issues!
                                                                          Why you think those are somehow inexorably linked to being a 'liberated woman' I have no idea. Issues are issues. Gender is gender.

                                                                          I'm sorry, did I imply that abortion, drilling and hunting are "inexorably" linked to womens' liberation? What I meant was, that as a liberated woman she is free to hold any views she wishes. These are hers. What I am hearing from certain people though, is that a woman apparently shouldn't hold views like hers, and if she does it must be because she's brainwashed.

                                                                          The point is, on the issues, I think she is WRONG for America - and most of the rest of the country realizes the same (thank goodness).

                                                                          I didn't say I thought she was right either. I defended her right to have an opinion that differed from what many other women voice. I am getting the impression that democrats think she was chosen specifically because she is an Anti-Hillary, and the impression that some are up in arms because she is a woman who isn't toeing "their" line (traditionally more women favor the democratic party than not). If Hillary had young children, would the same people be complaining that she should be more concerned with raising them than with running for office? I don't believe so, and that's my point.

                                                                          You seem to imply that being shot was part of Lincoln's POLITICAL platform! And worse, that his platform was based on being from Illinois!

                                                                          I don't think I implied any such thing, nor did I intend to, but I'll appologize once more for not being easier to understand. A previous poster had compared Obama's qualifications to Lincoln's and finished by saying "Lincoln did alright". Well, if you ignore the war and his assassination, yes he did. I did not say that the country falling apart and his tragic murder were part of his political platform, though one might wonder if his political statements before and during his time in office possibly initiated those events. Other presidents had successfully derailed the secessionist movement, and Booth shot Lincoln because of his political beliefs, not as an act of random insanity. Nor do I mean to imply that running for president as an Illinois resident defines one's political platform. I made an observation that our two previous presidents who ran from there didn't end well, since the person I was refering to seemed so keen to cite historical examples as if they were connected somehow.

                                                                          How can anyone who cares about this country vote for 4 more of last 8 years? How?

                                                                          Did I say I was voting for McCain/Palin? Just because I don't care for the bias I perceive to be shown doesn't mean I don't think they are horrible. I also believe Obama is horrible. His senate website has a wish list of social programs he favors, and putting that list into effect is going to put a crushing burden on the middle class, who ultimately pay all taxes in theis country either directly or indirectly. Sadly, people in this country are only being given two choices, a Plutocrat or a Socialist. The lesser of two evils is still an evil, and I choose none of the above. I will continue to write in third party candidates when there are any worth voting for, or myself when there are none, and while my standard of living continues to spiral down the drain no matter which of them gets elected, I can at least console myself for not being part of the problem.

                                                                            #15.5 - Tue Sep 9, 2008 8:18 PM EDT
                                                                            DC-371954

                                                                            US Grant was born in Ohio

                                                                            Yes, and Lincoln was born in Kentucky, and Obama was born in Hawaii. Not really central to my statement, as I was refering to the state they ran for office as residents of, but in the interests of clarification there we are.

                                                                              #15.6 - Tue Sep 9, 2008 8:23 PM EDT
                                                                              DC-371954

                                                                              You're being a little dramatic here

                                                                              This is a political article. EVERYONE is being a little dramatic here. Newsvine might as well be called the Soap Opera Network.

                                                                              We can't keep this up. We've already spent our children's inheritance and now we can start on our grandchildren's.

                                                                              If you look at Obama's social program wish list from his senate website, and then look at the economy and tax system of European countries that already have those programs in place, you'll realize that your grandchildrens' inheritance is going up in flames no matter which party wins.

                                                                              I'm not for either party. I distrust both of them. If you're wealthy, own a business or invest in the stock market you'd be insane to vote for the democrats. If you're poor, unemployed, unhealthy or retired you'd be insane NOT to vote for them. If you're middle class, like me, you might as well get used to walking with your hands around your ankles because both parties are going to screw you to pay everyone else.

                                                                                #15.7 - Tue Sep 9, 2008 8:41 PM EDT
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                                                                                Ann-504638

                                                                                One thing that drives this reader crazy is poor grammar and words spelled wrong. You people didn't even
                                                                                spell Trig's last name correctly under the photograph of Ms. Plain holding him. You obviously need to hire
                                                                                some proof readers because your spell check isn't working!!!!!

                                                                                • 2 votes
                                                                                Reply#16 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:07 AM EDT
                                                                                jetg

                                                                                I don't think spell check works on proper names..

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                                                                                #16.1 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 4:09 PM EDT
                                                                                DC-371954

                                                                                Read your post back very carefully and see if you spot the irony or not.

                                                                                  #16.2 - Tue Sep 9, 2008 8:25 PM EDT
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                                                                                  caren luxenberg

                                                                                  Don't you all think that a President or a Vice President (who is one heart beat away from the Executive office?) be representative of "all the people". I haven't felt well represented by the White House in 8 years. Not because Mr. Bush is a Republican, but because he hasn't been a good ambassador for our nation. He isn't articulate, his viewpoints are uniformed, and he seems to be unaware of his surroundings and the people he has to deal with on a daily basis.

                                                                                  Mr. McCain has seen the world. And as I am a proud Democrat, I fear that he is not enough contrast to what we've had. Articulate, maybe, but certainly too influenced to be a good listener to those countries now who need us to listen. As far as Ms. Pallin is concerned, she doesn't represent all of us, and she proud of that fact. How do we trust her judgment around the world? How are we assured that she will be our representative in a world full of crisis after crisis?

                                                                                  How do we vote for people who are so judgmental of others? What makes the Republican platform good for all of us - not just the chosen few? The bible teaches us - no matter which bible it is - that we are to look out for each other. "Am I my brother's keeper?" "Treat thy neighbor as thyself"
                                                                                  Apparently, the Republican party doesn't feel that way. Apparently, they aren't looking out for our mothers and daughters. They aren't looking out for the children who are still hungry in this country. They aren't looking out for the common interests in our society so that everyone can have health insurance. They aren't looking out for working mothers, unlike Ms. Pallin, who can't afford the extra help they need at home. (she'll get it if elected!)

                                                                                  Seems to me that the "platform" they're standing on is full of termites!

                                                                                  PS: Lincoln was NOT a republican at first -- check history!!!!!!!!

                                                                                  • 6 votes
                                                                                  Reply#17 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:22 AM EDT
                                                                                  BUBBER

                                                                                  Dumb white woman beats smart black man everytime...in dumb America.

                                                                                  • 4 votes
                                                                                  Reply#18 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:26 AM EDT
                                                                                  Fisherman144

                                                                                  Your bigotry and stupidity don't deserve a response.

                                                                                  • 4 votes
                                                                                  #18.1 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:33 AM EDT
                                                                                  Amos Masurrpianski

                                                                                  Fisherman: I agree!

                                                                                  • 1 vote
                                                                                  #18.2 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 11:58 AM EDT
                                                                                  GenoTenn

                                                                                  The GOP is becoming quite humorous at tabbing VP's - Quail, Chaney and now Palin.

                                                                                    #18.3 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 1:40 PM EDT
                                                                                    Amos Masurrpianski

                                                                                    GenoTenn: Their names are spelled Quayle, Cheney and Palin. Yes, the leftist media is trying to portray these three as just having fallen off the turnip truck, but it is quickly backfiring on them. Particularly with Palin, women do not like to see someone trashed like the media is doing to her.

                                                                                      #18.4 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 10:14 PM EDT
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                                                                                      Keisha-408308

                                                                                      Why are you making a big deal out of spelling errors. You know exactly what they mean. Some people just type fast. Just read what there saying and respond. OMG!!!

                                                                                      • 1 vote
                                                                                      Reply#19 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:27 AM EDT
                                                                                      Albert F. Pate-371653

                                                                                      Who is the Scott Richter who was the business partner of Todd Palin? Just the details.

                                                                                      • 3 votes
                                                                                      Reply#20 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:32 AM EDT
                                                                                      The One Who Pays YOUR Taxes.....

                                                                                      I cannot believe the contortions some of you people, especially women, are having to go through to laughably attempt to convince yourselves that this woman is anything but the real deal. She's tougher than most men I know and she doesn't attempt to be anything she is not. She sees life in a very simple, logical, and earthy connection of right and wrong. She tries to do right and lives to fight wrong. I have no problem with that at all. She is a person that I would place my family's well being with - and in the end, THAT is what you want in your leaders, not policy wonks and political posturing. She's new, but she's tested, and the results show nothing but continued success for her style and spirit. I don't care a wit about what she knows as much as I care about how she will act when she learns what we as Americans are up against. That is what you mopes need to look at here.

                                                                                      I also understand completely why you socialists are so damn scared, too. Your Obama is becoming a manchild compared to this woman with every press release....enough so that he now needs to go down to the 'lost and found' bin and get some advise from men he despises - Bill and Hillary. Think about that for a second. I don't care who you are.....in your purest moment of thought, you just gotta love this gal Palin....the 21st century pioneer.

                                                                                      • 2 votes
                                                                                      Reply#21 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:33 AM EDT
                                                                                      Fisherman144

                                                                                      She has successfully twisted you, and your words tell me that you can't see through her....ambition and power at any cost. Yes, it takes a strong person to be a politician, but she has walked over many people and seduced those who can't see her real self. You are blinded by a Barbie Doll who lies with ease and talks empty venom.

                                                                                      • 9 votes
                                                                                      #21.1 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:37 AM EDT
                                                                                      The One Who Pays YOUR Taxes.....

                                                                                      Comical, pops. You really want to believe what you are saying but I sense that you don't. Ambition and power, now? Oh, come on! That is the lamest argument I've heard yet for her. I don't think she wants to be a politician at all - I think she is compelled to the job FOR her family and lifestyle, not in spite of it. How do I know this? I did the same thing for the same reasons....albeit not run for Governor of a state.

                                                                                      A mope like you, clinging to your belief that she's in it for her own self, will never be able to understand people like me, or Sarah Palin - who KNOW that they can make a difference and are tired of sitting back and letting someone else decide for them. This is just the latest, and greatest(I might add) revision of that theme. Not surprisingly, this time it could have a profound effect on the social politics of this country and for that I am forever thankful.

                                                                                      I wish her well and her opponents - to hell. That's just my way of saying 'Pound Salt', Fisherman144. You'll thank us someday for caring and acting on something larger than ourselves....and if you don't, it really won't make us any different.

                                                                                      • 1 vote
                                                                                      #21.2 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 9:42 AM EDT
                                                                                      justthinkaboutit-504803

                                                                                      Did you just say you "don't care what she knows...just care how she will react?"

                                                                                      You do realize that a person's knowledge determines their actions, and whether they are intelligent decisions or not. We have endured 8 years from a president that does not know anything except how the run up the cost of oil, which he happens to be heavily invested in. Through his lack of knowledge about WMD we are in a war. Through is lack of knowledge in increasing alternative fuel discovery and production and inability to balancing budgets, we are in a recession. And through his lack of knowledge of foreign policy, we are isolated in the world. I would suggest we get someone up in office that knows something, otherwise our nation is in trouble.

                                                                                      • 1 vote
                                                                                      #21.3 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 9:57 AM EDT
                                                                                      bv48

                                                                                      The #23 post is silly. No we don't just "gotta love this gal Palin". I detest people who use their power against those who would oppose their view. She's a child who thinks like a child.

                                                                                      • 1 vote
                                                                                      #21.4 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 3:11 PM EDT
                                                                                      jupitermoon

                                                                                      Being able to use a gun to shoot an animal does not make you tough.

                                                                                      Could all of you please stop saying that liberals are against her because they are against women's rights, pretty please? you know that's ridiculous......

                                                                                      WE/THEY ARE LIBERALS... MOSTLY BECAUSE THEY ARE FOR EQUAL RIGHTS!!!

                                                                                      • 1 vote
                                                                                      #21.5 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 4:55 PM EDT
                                                                                      Mikki-413445

                                                                                      you know guys, i found the politician who would match Sarah Palin. he also have 5 children, by the way. Visit the following address: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t38UqHBoLo

                                                                                        #21.6 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 5:33 PM EDT
                                                                                        jojo-471242

                                                                                        Wow, is this coming from someone her knows her on a personal basis? Doubtful.

                                                                                          #21.7 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 6:23 PM EDT
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                                                                                          AC Robertson

                                                                                          My Grandmother had seven daughters and one son. The day after she gave birth to my mother, she was behind a mule draw plow on their 1000 acre farm. She lived to her mid 60's in good health. She and my grandfather worked the farm and put all their children through college. Without giving the children any debt as a graduation present.

                                                                                          It is time of the coddled women of the USA to stop whining about how hard things are. Start pulling your weight and truly support your family. Motherhood is more than kissing your babies butt and using your children as a excuse to stay at home on your butt.

                                                                                          Oh yea, my wife spent yesterday fertilizing our crops and we are paying for our children's college. We still have two living at home, but their main job is school not working on the farm. My other 4 children are either going to college or supporting and raising families of their own. So far two chemical engineers and one HR with at BA. They are all hard working, independent, and successful adults.

                                                                                          Sara Palin and her husband are giving their children the best gifts any child can receive. A caring family and one that sets the example of how to succeed in life, not by talk but by actions.

                                                                                          • 3 votes
                                                                                          Reply#22 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:34 AM EDT
                                                                                          Tad-401841

                                                                                          AC Robertson,

                                                                                          Couldn't have said it better, well done.

                                                                                          • 2 votes
                                                                                          #22.1 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 10:02 AM EDT
                                                                                          Olive-315325

                                                                                          i think a person who has worked a lot harder for a lot more years than palin would actually be the best candidate for vice president. i don't care whether palin is a man or woman- what i care about is how qualified she is for the job.

                                                                                          • 1 vote
                                                                                          #22.2 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 12:54 PM EDT
                                                                                          bv48

                                                                                          Ac - you aren't too bright. Women are the majority of the working force now. We also hold the larger portion of degrees. If you know women like the ones you describe, that's your fault. No woman with a brain in her head would want a relationship with someone like you. Your wife's probably out behind a mule because it's better than being in the room with you. Now quit blogging and go help your wife earn money.

                                                                                          • 1 vote
                                                                                          #22.3 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 3:19 PM EDT
                                                                                          rennie

                                                                                          Coddled? Hmmm... Sounds like the only one getting coddled in your family is you buddy. I wouldn't be throwing those stones in glass houses. Not to mention - you aren't too up on contemporary society are you?

                                                                                          Working women make up the majority of the labor force, receiving about 62 cents on the dollar to every man. Not only do they put in that 40+ hour work week they also do the majority of the work in the home (about 87%) when there are two working spouses in the home.

                                                                                          Now go crawl back in your cave so us women can get to work earning your social security payments.....

                                                                                            #22.4 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 4:11 PM EDT
                                                                                            jupitermoon

                                                                                            AC I double-dog dare ya to call Dr Laura and tell her that...p.s. I cannot stomach Dr Laura

                                                                                              #22.5 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 5:08 PM EDT
                                                                                              carl-467578

                                                                                              You are right ACRobertson,

                                                                                              Palin is setting a fine example. That's why her teenage daughter is pregnant.

                                                                                              • 1 vote
                                                                                              #22.6 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 5:11 PM EDT
                                                                                              not over it

                                                                                              The republicans are always telling people how "moral" they are and they are always getting caught in an immoral mess. Personally I don't care about Palins daughter or Palins down syndrome baby or if she had an affair. But maybe she quit acting like she is some moral authority when her like story seems to prove something different.

                                                                                              • 1 vote
                                                                                              #22.7 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 5:18 PM EDT
                                                                                              Stclaire

                                                                                              Well Said

                                                                                              • 1 vote
                                                                                              #22.8 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 9:22 PM EDT
                                                                                              Chantay.Texas

                                                                                              sarah-palin1.jpg

                                                                                              • 1 vote
                                                                                              #22.9 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:51 AM EDT
                                                                                              Chantay.Texas

                                                                                              As a concerned citizen I wouldn't want this Ms Barracuda to represent my Pitt Bull without lipstick!

                                                                                              • 1 vote
                                                                                              #22.10 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:22 AM EDT
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                                                                                              Tamarcqua

                                                                                              I am so glad someone had enough sense to write this article. Mrs.Palin WOULD NOT have been hiding her pregnancy if she was so proud....as she holds her down syndrome son up on the stage of the RNC. I am a Republican and I am appalled at her explotation of her son AFTER the birth."I am an advocate for all parents with children with disabilities." How would she have felt if the baby would not have made it while she was traveling from state to state while losing fluids. It says alot to me about her judgement!

                                                                                              • 8 votes
                                                                                              Reply#23 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:39 AM EDT
                                                                                              Azalways

                                                                                              All candicates have their families on stage with them at some point. Would you prefer that Palin hide her son backstage? Really, she had three choices. Bring him on stage with the rest of her children, keep everyone offstage, or leave him offstage only. Had she not brought him on stage, I can only imagine what folks like you, Tamarcqua, would be saying. She's ashamed of her baby! She is hiding her son. What the heck is wrong with that mother than she won't bring her son into the spotlight! Give me a break. She's a working mother who is expertly combining motherhood and a powerful career. She's not the first to work right up until her child was to be born.

                                                                                                #23.1 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 2:55 PM EDT
                                                                                                YouCanCallMeRay

                                                                                                Something tells me your looking for a needle in a haystack there Tamarcqua.
                                                                                                Your disdain for Mrs. Palin wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that you already made up your mind who you're voting for, would it TAMARCQUA?
                                                                                                By the way, is that an Irish name...........Tamarcqua?

                                                                                                  #23.2 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 3:04 PM EDT
                                                                                                  rennie

                                                                                                  Ray - what a comeback. You're not a bit racist are you? Nooooo...

                                                                                                  • 2 votes
                                                                                                  #23.3 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 4:12 PM EDT
                                                                                                  jojo-471242

                                                                                                  Yes, sounds like Ray has issues with anyone not of his color. What color would that be Ray?

                                                                                                  • 1 vote
                                                                                                  #23.4 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 6:26 PM EDT
                                                                                                  photochick

                                                                                                  Regardless of their party affiliation, I think that it's poor judgement (if not plain uncaring) to fly from Texas to Alaska while leaking amniotic fluid. Especially with a child that you already know has Downs Syndrome. This has nothing to do with her being a Republican. This tells something of her judgement. I wouldn't want her putting the country through the same risks that she put her cherished unborn child through. Even if there weren't any health issues with the pregnancy, should shouldn't have been flying that close to her due date. Period.

                                                                                                  • 1 vote
                                                                                                  #23.5 - Tue Sep 9, 2008 4:58 PM EDT
                                                                                                  Chantay.Texas

                                                                                                  And her greed!

                                                                                                  • 1 vote
                                                                                                  #23.6 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:54 AM EDT
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                                                                                                  Cheri62

                                                                                                  Why does Sarah Palin continue to exploit her baby this way?All you ever hear about is her family, I want to know where she stands on the issues.It's pretty sad when she is upstaging John McCain and is attracting the crowds that he never was able to.

                                                                                                    Reply#24 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:40 AM EDT
                                                                                                    Fisherman144

                                                                                                    Oh, by the way -I've changed many diapers, fed crying babies, taken care of childhood illnesses, cleaned up and smiled through it all....I'm a father! I don't believe that Palin will make a good representative of us because she isn't a good representative of her own family. She's a fraud.

                                                                                                    • 10 votes
                                                                                                    Reply#25 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:41 AM EDT
                                                                                                    renard

                                                                                                    this is a message to all Democrats, Independents and right thinking Americans it is time to fight fire with fire starting here in Michigan we are taking no more Republican crap and lies concerning how good the economy is or has been under the Republican Party. And we want the country to know that phony Republican values are no substitute for health insurance, they do not put any food on the table, they wont pay the bills, and they definitely are not accepted for college tuition, and above all else they wont save your home from foreclosure or keep your car from being repossessed.

                                                                                                      #25.1 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:11 AM EDT
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