Obama entrances Europe in vague tones

you evidently didn't listen to the speech or don't know History. Maybe you have never suffered a loss or wondered where the next meal was coming from. He said much and made me proud of our country.

Like when he insulted the United States Repeatedly in his speeches ?

No wonder Europe loved him , he insulted the United States and felt the need to apologize to Europe for the United State's actions.

Since Europe has loved him so much , and he is hated here , he should take that as a lesson and stay in Europe.

What Barrack Hussein Obama has spoken about over seas , are the Bible's prophecies coming true , on how the next anti-Christ will come and rule the world and destroy it.

Man...the Rapture is coming true day after day.

I would suggest that everyone who plans to elect this man , accept Christ as their Lord and Personal Savior , since , when God cracks the sky , it will be better to be "right" than left behind.

May God have mercy on your souls.

Not one of here cares what Europe thinks of Obama , their vote does not count in our elections...YET!

so instead of "wowing" Europe he should worry more about his falling numbers here in the country that he wants to lead.

and while in Europe he shouldn't have Insulted the United States in his speech.

we were watching , ( that is why he didn't want to take the media with him ) he knew he planned on bad mouthing the United States while he was there , and he did.

good job , you Anti-American-Racist....yet again you didn't let us down , we knew you true colors would show through and they did.

Wake Up America , the only Europeans that you should worry about supporting Obama , would be HAMAS !

HAMAS SUPPORTS OBAMA !!!! SHOULD YOU ????

I am not rich, I do not have thousands of dollars in reserves but I will never vote for Obama. His policies are flawed and his speeches are not his own. ALSO, why won't he do town hall meetings with John McCain, I think it would be great to see the two of them go head to head with questions from the public. Obama will never do it because unless his speeches are scripted and written for him he sounds like a moron that truly doesn't know what he is talking about. Get your head out of the sand Laura, neither candidate seems to be the choice for either party but when it comes to leading this country someone who hasn't even sat in his own Senate office for 186 days seems less than qualified to run our country. Just a note, in case you didn't know...did you realize that his voting record in the Senate is further to the left the the declared socialist in the Senate. He talks about change, be careful of the change that you are looking for. He couldn't even stumble let alone walk over to the other party to make a compromise that is better for the people. McCain you argue,

What about McCain/Lieberman
McCain/Feingold
McCain/Kennedy

Do your research and don't be fooled by words, ACTIONS speak louder than words, and Obama has not acted at all in most Americans views. Just because polls done in NYC by NBC show that Obama is leading in everything, just so you know NYC IS A DEMOCRATIC HEAVY STATE AND CITY, the polls do not show the accurate feeling of the United States as a whole.

Good luck with your nominee

For Laura , P.T.Barnum said it best sweetheart.

"there is a sucker born every minute"

guess what Laura...... SUCKER !!!!!

you fell Obama's BS hook,line and sinker.

Good to see him wow the Germans as wonabe commander and chief he didn't even have time to

visit one base and address our troops who are Americans just tells you where his heads at who

cares what Europe thinks we have problems here to solve

Glad he had so much time to give a speech to the Germans who don't vote and neglited to

address our troops in Germany who do vote whats he thinking

He's just trying to repair the rift that the previous administration created with Europe.

American troops could have shown up if they wanted to. I'm sure many of them did.

That would have been a slap on the face to European officials to make the visit to Europe and only speak to American soldiers.

And as far as people saying that our enemies support Obama:

Who outside of America doesn't support Obama? It's easy to say that our enemies support Obama when the ENTIRE rest of the world does too.

Most every other country can't stand the GOP after Bush's cowboy politics. It's only natural they would support the other party, enemies and allies alike.

What about McCain/Lieberman
McCain/Feingold
McCain/Kennedy

He's essentially disowned them all, mentioning he would not vote for them if they were to come up today. That's right. He would vote against bills that bear his name.

John McCain was once a great Independent that transcended party, but in the past 2 years, he has worked overtime to pander to the extreme right of the Republican party.

Obama is guilty of treason with his comments

Obama is guilty of treason with his comments

Satire?

Please explain yourself with this insane comment. Otherwise your post has no value.

More proof of the new conservative lieing,How dare you say msnbc is biais,i't proven on chris matthews hardball,(he is still old shcool repub, i guess) He had Mcleean,the old white house press secretary,not the one that died from faux news, the one that came out with a book.He stated that most nite time "conservative" "news" shows were given talking points from the white house,which is unconstitutional and propoganda,it's illegal,He specicly named FOX,O'reilly and Rush then stated all nite conservative shows,YOU REPUKES ARE 2 STUPID TO REALISE YOU ARE THE ONES BEING LIED TO,are to stupid to care that you arent very american......................but very fascist instead

Michelle, If you would go back and actually read any of my posts, you'll see I'm no conservative. That being said, you don't really help your point or entice others to see your viewpoints when you use language like this.

Remember, when you post here, you are acting as a surrogate of the position or candidate you're supporting. Using words like "Repuke" and 'fascist' are not going to win anybody over other than the 'choir'.

Think about it this way, if an independent came into this thread and saw two posts, one with the facts framed intelligently with clear points and documentation and another that is essentially name calling, with which one do you think they'd side? There are two unwritten rules of debate: 1) the first one to resort to personal attacks loses the debate and 2) the first to compare the others' policies to Hitler or the Nazis loses the debate. You've pretty much hit both with this post.

I think Michael Moore is an example of this. Michael Moore makes a lot of good points and generally has a good message, but I think his delivery and demeanor makes him seem to be a bit of an 'a-hole' to the point that he turns people off before they can even listen to what he has to say.

All things considered, I agree with some of your post, but you've got to work on your delivery. I think a good rule of thumb is to attach candidates' positions and media bias, not the individual posters here. I think you'll see an increase in 'vineacity' if you do this. Remember, you are a surrogate here. Make people understand, don't berate them for not understanding.

You are right,I am sorry but I am so angry that this administration is above ze law,I am reading so many posts I am getting them all mixed up,so I will take some time off and have fun on the internet,and forget about politics for a while before it makes me crazy,I apologize sincerely for all the posts I posted yesterday,I was haveing a temper trantrum over the whole unfairness facter of whitehouse feeding Fox news, news thankyou for the reality check and God Bless

Hey, no problem. I understand. We all get frustrated with this stuff, particularly the powerlessness we feel when we watch the news, knowing only a third of what they're saying is true and there's nothing we can do about it but post. I, too, find myself getting most heated at MSNBC, mainly because I expect more out of them. I know Fox is garbage, but I tend to look at MSNBC for some sanity. When they don't live up to it, as you can see with my posts during the Chuck Todd Q&A's, I lash out more than I probably should.

That being said, thank you for showing such self awareness.

Obama is short on details, long on vague often grandiose ideas.

What exactly did you expect him to say to a crowd of Berliners? Lay out his plan for Universal Healthcare? Give detailed descriptions of strikes in the areas around the Pakistan-Afghanistan border? Of course not. That being said, Obama did touch on subjects such as German involvement in Afghanistan and its importance to the effectiveness of NATO, ending the genocide in Darfur, and the rights of voters in Zimbabwe. It was a speech about America and Europe's leadership in the world and the potential for a renewed strength, not necessarily every step on how to get there.

So I wouldn't necessarily call it detailed, but I wouldn't call it vague or insubstantial either. Remember, he's not president, yet. These things will come in time.

He has great delivery of speeches written by professional speech writers but is poor in extemporaneous speaking.

Did you even see the primary debates? You should check them out on Youtube. He cleaned the other, more experienced candidates' clocks, and, remember, he was the underdog then. He's not perfect, but don't discount his ability to go off script.

And can you seriously knock his ability to go extemporaneous when McCain has consistently turned out such gems as his 'killing Iranian civilians with cigarettes', 'Bomb Iran', 'Birth control vs viagra', 'Anbar awakening timeline mixup', 'Iraq is the first major conflict since 9/11 (forgetting Afghanistan)', 'Shia, Sunni, What's the difference?', 'Somalia, Sudan, What's the difference?', 'The Iraq-Pakistan border', 'Iran is funding Al Qaida (twice)', 'Missile silos in Czechoslovakia (twice)', and 'Abdul Sattar Buzaigh al-Rishawi would be killed if not for the surge (he was)'?

Add this to the ever-evolving definition of what the 'surge' is and you'll see McCain has his own problems going tit-for-tat on subjects.

Obama has shown himself to be a gifted campaigner but a lack luster elected official.

If you're going to make a scathing indictment like this, you should at least back it up with facts, otherwise this has no value. Please provide details on his being a 'lackluster elected official'.

He would fair very badly with John McCain in a town hall meeting and he avoids them.

I suppose we'll find out on Tuesday, October 7, during the town hall format debate. Again, be careful what you wish for. Go back and watch the primary debates, I think you'll be surprised at Obama's resolve.

Too bad the Presidency isn't scripted

Right, otherwise, we wouldn't have such supreme moments as foreign policy speeches in the dairy aisle.

And yes Europe is awakening to the fact that Obama doesn't have any new ideas and is a little shaky on the old ones.

Since you seem to have your finger on the pulse of European zeitgest, I must assume that you are yourself a European, otherwise, how could you make such a blanket statement? The only thing I can say for sure is that 200,000 people showed up yesterday. 200,000 from foreign countries came to see a man that was, yes, a state senator in Illinois 5 years ago. The New York Times, on its bullet train to obscurity, picked out 4 or 5 people so they could make themselves a headline.

And yes, belatedly, the press is realizing that they too have been "handled", manipulated and at times shut out so that they show Obama only in the way he and his staff want their product to be shown.

On McCain's bus, the press have to 'earn' their right to speak in McCain's private interviewing booth. How is that not being handled?

The truth is both campaigns are trying to control the message. That's what presidential campaigns do. They try to create headlines, favorable ones for their candidate. It's naive to think that they don't. Every campaign 'handles' the media.

The truth is that Obama was making news this week, McCain was not. Obama was being driven around by the King of Jordan while McCain was being driven around the Bush compound in Kennebunkport on a golf cart by Bush Sr. Tell me which one is more newsworthy.

Obama was meeting with commanders and leaders in Iraq and Afghanistan while McCain was making incoherent foreign policy comments in front of cheese. Tell me which one is newsworthy.

Obama was delivering a speech in Berlin in front of 200,000 people. McCain was having sausage and cream puffs at a German restaurant. Tell me which one is more newsworthy.

I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say on this point, but if this is another "media loves Obama" moment, I'm still not buying it. CBS covering up McCain's Anbar timeline statement and Afghanistan omission are evidence enough of this farce.

No you didn't miss anything, You hit Obama's butt with a big democratic kiss. You hit it right on target. Smooooooooouch

Frank and all you other Obama haters, it's a shame you don't have a brain, otherwise you'd know that he's the ONLY choice we have, considering "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" McCain has lost his mind, and is only coherent when reading from a prompter. And ask yourself, would you hire the old man to run your business?

Yes, I would hire the old man to run my company. I will also vote for him for President of the United States of America.

It's freedom of the press when their is a big joke associated with the Obama family.
Republicans, including McCain stated frequently he needs to go oversees. Now he is there, of course getting new reported about the visit, Republicans continue to complain.

The only way to make them happy is if he dropped out, and then they would be more comments about 'we knew he could not handle the pressure'.

Now you have the right to negate bias reporting - Bye Bye Freedom of Press and Speech. It does not suit us now.

Actually, this is not a favorable article for Obama - not really pleasing everyone who heard his words - but who can please everyone.

Others state Germany does not matter, that is where the U.S. is wrong. We have to and need to work with other countries, we actually owe other countries so much money, we need to work with them. And since every hardship outside of the country we assist, sometimes omitting our own people, it is important.

Stop hating one person, and look at the entire picture. With or without Obama in office we need to work with other countries and definitely work at home.

No one cares what is on his plane; I wonder if those who proclaim so about the flag, how many lapel pins do you have and how often do you wear them. It is the same as persons wearing a cross. Who and what you are does not need to be advertised in material things, it shows outward. Wear a cross and curse, or you displaying the Christian role.

No matter what you feel about this man personally, he carries himself in a way that as an American, an he is stating he is an American, he shows pride and calmness.

I do not know if he is the better candidate, but the reasons most persons are not supporting him, at least the reasons they state are ludicrous-his name, his father, not wearing a flag lapel, spouse states she is proud of this country for the first time.

After reading many of these blogs over the past months, and reading the hateful nasty comments about Blacks, Africans, Latinos... we are a racist country which may appear improved, but actuality is things are bad.... I talk with some of my old college friends who are of other nationalities ... we are a disgrace and many times I am not proud... and NO ... I am not moving either. If you do not like something, you make attempts to change them, which I thought would be the purpose of someone wanting to run for the highest office of this country.

God bless us all.

Berlin only expected 75,000 and 200,000 showed up, I guess that says something that you can't.

Yeah, but he was speaking in between two rock concerts. Do you think maybe a few of those folks were there for the music??

you know I am so tired of people calling Obama a flip-flopper. If he stands by his word he is then called stubborn. Quit trying to run this man down for what he is not and see him for what he is. I was proud as an American that an American went to overseas and could actually give an educated speech. We need help in this country and reading many of your remarks only enhances that belief. What is wrong with so many people now is trying to pass supposed judgement on Obama and not really listening to him and what he is trying to represent. Try doing that before you pass judgement. The speech in Berlin was fantastic and contrary to many peoples beliefs, we do need the World to be on our side. We are fighting terrorism WORLD WIDE and we do need to come together in peace and be friends. Right now and for the past 7 years our country has suffered desparity and lost much prosperity because of isolation and a President without proper leadership. The war in Iraq should have never been so the Surge remains wrong. No one mentions the lives lost of our own and displacement of millions of Iraqi people. Look at time-lines and what really happened. We don't need any more Bombs but instead peace. Wake up people !!!

You have no made any sensible point. Tell me what you were expecting from somebody who visited Europe as a Senator but not a president. Your useless McCain will never be president.

No Gail, I got the point and I don't agree with it. While we're speaking in regards to points, you certainly missed mine. Are all pie-enthusiasts foreigners now?

Phoenix Arizona, Gail...I don't pretend to be anything.

we got in big time trouble because of Bush and those that remain to represent a war that should have never been. We need to have all countries care about us. You need to wake up.

No one should know better than the Republicans regarding speeches -McCain and Bush over the past 8 years really need to get an educated person to write and prepare them for speeches - they are an embarrassment.

Frank, dear, what good does it do for the rich to keep producing products with the help of their big tax cuts, when those of us in the middle and lower classes can't afford to buy the product? This government controls the very poor with entitlements, which is socialism, helps the rich get richer with tax breaks with that weak argument of "they put more into the economy." The rest of us are hung out to dry. The government takes more than 25% of my pay check every month, for things like my social security, my Medicare, not to mention what it takes for itself. My God, and then when I retire, I have to fight tooth and nail to get medical care to help pay for what Medicare doesn't pay, and try to survive on what pittance the government sees fit to give me each month. Whereas if I invested it, I could have been a millionaire. Lucky for me, I have other funds that I did invest in and will give me more to live on, but plenty of other folks aren't so lucky.

And Frank it's so boring listening to you and all the others like you, because it's you folks that are going to be the downfall of this country with your blind stupidity.

And I'm glad you'll not be voting for Obama, your wife, or family. They must be proud.

Right on Frank--His foreign speeches are more B**S and all americans need to pay close attention--we'll ALL end up in the ghetto while giving our money to the mid east and Africa

seems like you have little as well. How can you say he has no substance. Have you really listened to him? At least he knows the borders of the Middle East.

I have listened to all I want of Obama--I don't fall for his socialist b**s--. Now I Push the mute button when he comes on.

McCain is the other choice and not my first choice. He is less riskier. But most importantly, he has proved that he would move to the center and work across the isle. Sure right now his is campigning and doing his best to appeal the the conservative base, but he will work with the Democrats far more than Obama will work with the Republicans. Obama is the embodiment of liberalism and for which it stands, mostly anti-American, big government, more bureaucratic programs, weakening of our military and higher taxes.

So what your sayng Michael is which of the lesser of two evils will Americans vote for. THis is really a sad day in American history. A Democratic candidate who didn't know where Iran was and a Republican Candidate who is pre-judge as Bush # 2. It's crazy. Making a decision for me is easy. I'll vote for the "Right" one. lol.

Obama is the embodiment of liberalism and for which it stands, mostly anti-American, big government, more bureaucratic programs, weakening of our military and higher taxes.
Independant who will never vote obama

Well, I speak as a liberal with libertarian leanings here, so feel free to fact-check me if you doubt, but Obama's record and platform is far better than or just as good as McCain's on most of those issues (from your point of view).

Taking them in reverse order:

1. Higher taxes. Both Obama and McCain were against Bush's tax cuts when they were first proposed. McCain has since recanted, of course. However, of the tax plans that they have put forward in this election, Obama's plan has lower taxes for almost everyone than McCain's plan does. You have to have an income above $250,000/year to get a raise in taxes under Obama's plan.

2. Weakening of our military. Both Obama and McCain wish to enlarge the size of our military: Obama by 90,000 and McCain by 150,000. Point: tie. However, Obama has consistently gotten better marks from veteran's organizations than McCain has in terms of votes and bills put forth, and his record supporting vets extends back to his time in the Illinois legislature, so it's not new. Point: Obama. I don't see how a credible argument that he wishes to weaken the military can be made, especially as he clearly thinks that our military's work in Afghanistan is of vital importance.

3. Big government and more bureaucratic programs. Government bureaucracy has exploded in size in the last 7 years of this Republican administration, both in increased funding for existing programs and the creation of new ones. I'll provide links on request, but honestly all you have to do is Google and the facts jump out at you. I'd argue that given that both Obama and McCain voted in most instances with their party and as the Republican Party is responsible for the aforementioned growth, McCain is more likely responsible for "big government" than Obama. I will give McCain credit for focusing on reducing earmarks, although they make up only a tiny, tiny part of the total budget. Obama is not known much as a fiscal watchdog, but it's worth mentioning that he has several times introduced legislation to "prohibit the awarding of a contract or grant in excess of the simplified acquisition threshold unless the prospective contractor or grantee certifies in writing to the agency awarding the contract or grant that the contractor or grantee has no seriously delinquent tax debts."

4. Anti-Americanism. I'm sorry, but this is silly. Neither Obama nor McCain are anti-American. People who are don't run for President. Both have spoken extensively of their love for this country. Both have been blessed with success in a way that would be impossible elsewhere.
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A Democratic candidate who didn't know where Iran was and a Republican Candidate who is pre-judge as Bush # 2.
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I have to admit that I'm unaware of the Iran ignorance on Obama's part you are referencing. Did it happen some time ago? What was it, exactly? However, given the numerous errors in geography, history, and geopolitics that McCain has been made throughout this campaign and especially in the past month, I'm not going to give McCain a thumbs up over Obama on this.

As for being pre-judged as Bush #2, McCain could easily dispel such talk simply by taking positions at odds with those held by Bush. Aside from a slight tendency toward environmentalism, he has not. I admit, I admired McCain's stand vs. torture when he still held it, but when that went by the wayside, so did my respect.

Michael,
What is good about McCain is thet he's not Obama.
Other than that, I don't think there isn't a better choice.

It seems to always come down to that in elections. Vote for the least harmful from the choices the politicians give you.

Nice post. Honest and straight forward without being condescending. Thank you. Both candidates have flaws. Which ones can you look past, which ones make you cringe? Some people have compared some of Obama's speeches with Reagan's. Reagan was known as an orator, he wrote many of his own speeches. I do not honestly know if Obama write his own speeches or not. But when he, or McCain for that matter, talk candidly, they are rough and don't stay on topic real well. Reagan was good of the cuff. Obama has promised quite a few big money projects that I don't think he has completely funded. I don't want to give anymore handouts. I don't mind assistance (low interest loans, grants for college, job training, etc). I don't want to just give people money. Read that last part as "Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach him to fish, he eats for a lifetime." As you said in your post above, a lot of programs came in the last 7 years. Most of which I'm not fond of. I'm really not fond of the "rebate" stimulus checks that were sent out. We need a balanced budget. I can understand McCain's choice on Bush's tax cut. It was already there. Someone else got bloodied for raising the tax. It doesn't hurt as bad to keep it as putting it back. If he moves to raise the tax now it would hurt. People really don't like to give the government money. It doesn't matter which party controls what. It's my money, and I need it now. You can't have it. All things considered, I'm still with McCain.

Angela...........We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." --October 11, 1798 Thomas Jefferson

.....• "It is apprehended that, Mahometans (Muslims), pagans, etc., may be elected to high offices under the government of the United States. Those who are Mahometans, or any others who are not professors of the Christian religion, can never be elected to the office of President or other high office, [unless] first the people of America lay aside the Christian religion altogether, it may happen. Should this unfortunately take place, the people will choose such men as think as they do themselves.
[Elliot's Debates, Vol. IV, pp 198-199, Governor Samuel Johnston, July 30, 1788 at the North Carolina Ratifying Convention]

..This says it all Angela

Could you elaborate on the morals and values that give McCain such a big push over Obama?

Angela, your comment is about as garbled as McCain's. McCain isn't someone who can talk about morals much less anything else.

Let's see, Angela, Obama, a devoted family man, married only one time, two beautiful children, no scandal in background.

Let's see....McCain, who was married first to Carol, had documented extramarital affairs during their marriage, including the one beginning in April 1979, when McCain met and began shacking up with Cindy Lou Hensley, an Arizona special education teacher and Hensley & Co. heiress, which led to his divorce. Ross Perot said at the time, "After [John McCain] came home, Carol walked with a limp. So he threw her over for a poster girl with big money from Arizona and the rest is history." So who has better morals and values, Angela?

I sure would not be bringing up "morals" if you want to promote your candidate Barrack Obama.

How many morals did he have when he bought marijuana, coke, and crack off the street?

How many morals did he have when he stole cars?

And to say that there is no scandal attached to him -- well, how about the Tony Rezko scandal - you know the crook who helped Obama buy his house?

And what about the Larry Sinclair scandal?

I think there is plenty of scandal to go around on Obama's side.

You just choose to ignore Obama's bad choices yet want to exaggerate John McCain's.

Yes, I can see how we should be upset that he divorced his wife - 30 YEARS AGO.

And how dare he stay happily married now for THIRTY YEARS!

Shame on him! Forget that millions of other Americans have divorced! How dare John McCain do the same as millions of other Americans!

I think we should just stone him!